Project: my first 20v

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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:48 am

I have been making progress on this over the week. A couple hours here and there, so nothing is going very fast. I did get most of the hole closed up though. I split into 2 panels, and tacked them into place.
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Not perfect, but they fit decently. I have a spot that I need to make a weirdly shaped piece for and weld it in. Here is after a lot more welding. Not going to win any awards, but it's solid enough.
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I'm going to run a patch from the corner where the third patch panel is still needed up towards the front about 6". It looks weak in that area, and I'd rather do it now then have a random hole show up later.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby PRY4SNO » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:22 pm

That's some damn fine progress. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:43 am

Spent a couple hours in the garage age this morning. Made the last patch panel, and welder it in!
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Only thing left is weld on the muter mount hook. After that was done, I went around scrubbing all the other rusty looking area, then hit it with with rust converting paint.
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Came out ok. Ill clean up the welded area, and seam seal them. Then a good coating of undercoat should keep it good for a long time!
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby PRY4SNO » Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:50 am

Glad you opted to fix it. You deserve a proper 20v in your life ;) (Don't tell Taco)
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:07 pm

PRY4SNO wrote:Glad you opted to fix it. You deserve a proper 20v in your life ;) (Don't tell Taco)

That's funny! I haven't heard from him in forever!

I opted to fix/keep it because that's really the only bad looking part. Im hoping it doesn't prove me wrong in the near future
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby PRY4SNO » Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:26 pm

There's always a chance something new will rear it's ugly head, but these are rare beasts. Worth keeping by numbers alone, and they're just special to drive and enjoy all that aside.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:17 pm

Well, tonight is my last night working for a while. I am officially furloughed starting Monday. Who knows how long it will be before I go back to work. Maybe I'll get this back together in that time...
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby themagellan » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:08 pm

Nice job on the patch panels - yes always good to have a hobby :)
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:23 pm

Made some significant progress today. Engine is mostly assembled.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby jbrentd » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:35 pm

Looking good! Sorry to hear about the furlough. Hopefully, things will get back to normal soon.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:46 am

jbrentd wrote:Looking good! Sorry to hear about the furlough. Hopefully, things will get back to normal soon.

Thanks. The furlough means that things will be tight around here for a while.

I have most of the parts to put the CQ back together. We will see how far I get on my time off.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:22 pm

Putting the BOS header on, and have a couple questions.

The gaskets have a metal side to them. Does that go to the head, or to the manifold?

Second, do I need the really thick washers for the BOS header?

Third, what is the torque spec for the lock nuts?

Any help would be great, thanks
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:52 pm

Spent most of today putting most of the engine together. Head got torqued down, that was... Fun... Then finding all the bolts to put everything else on was most of the time spent. Oh well, it's almost ready to take off the stand, and get a trans bolted to it. I don't want to set the timing until the trans is attached. Last thing I want to do it set the timing wrong at this point.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:27 am

I'm trying to make a decision. The plan as of now, is to sell this when it's road worthy again. The transmission is currently an unknown. I have a good sedan transmission which everyone knows has a better 5th gear.

The decision I need to make is, should I swap the trans when I put the engine in, or, leave the CQ trans in, and offer the next owner the sedan trans with the car?

Obviously I'm looking at a little more work on my part to swap the trans, but would it make it better in the end?
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby Afterthought » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:44 am

Any reason to suspect that there is a problem with the one that’s in the car ?
I didn’t even know there was a difference between the coupe and sedan trans
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:17 am

Well, the car has been sitting for around 6 years, and no one knows the condition of the trans before sitting.

The sedan trans has a taller(or shorter I don't remember) 5th gear, so lower RPM on the highway.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby jbrentd » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:02 pm

Lower RPMs in 5th would be nice, but is the difference (0.77:1 vs 0.84:1) worth it? Based on an old online calculator I used, it would translate to about 300 RPMs at 80 mph. I'd say yes, if you were to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Not so sure since you're looking to sell it.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby PRY4SNO » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:56 pm

I'd tend to agree with Brent.

If you sell it with a spare trans as an enticement you're likely to dissuade the casual hobby car crowd. Or put another way, you'll (hopefully) attract the type of buyer who's likely to take care of the car and hopefully keep it for a while. Someone who's not afraid to get their hands dirty and has space for parts storage.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:02 pm

I'm thinking I'm just going to leave the CQ trans in it. I'll probably drain the oil through some screen and see if it has anything in it. If I find chunks, then I guess I'll be swapping it. Otherwise, it will be an "additional part" to go with it. Along with the euro headlights, and 5 lug hubs that no one seems to want...
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby jbrentd » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:02 pm

I'd love to take those 5 lug parts, but I have enough on my plate with my CQ project and I like my 4x108 wheels that are on it.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:36 pm

jbrentd wrote:I'd love to take those 5 lug parts, but I have enough on my plate with my CQ project and I like my 4x108 wheels that are on it.

That's actually the main reason I haven't gone 5 lug on my 80q. I really like the multiple sets of 4 lug wheels I have for it. I'm pretty sure I'm going to put the 80 comp wheels on the CQ and keep the borbet wheels I got with it for the 80q.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:45 am

Well, here is the sedan transmission all cleaned up...
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Now I have to go get my jack stands back so I can get the one out of the CQ...
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:33 pm

So today was generally a good day in the garage. Got quite a bit done! Cleaned up the sedan transmission(previous post) and got the CQ trans out!
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Things moved along ok after that. After figuring out what I had been doing wrong trying to get the hydro boost unit out, I set about cleaning up the vacuum booster I picked up. A little love with a wire wheel before some paint... NOPE! Damnit!
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The hits just keep on coming! I wasn't even hitting the ring hard at all, so that must have been hiding under the rust.

A good friend offered me a B2 booster. Does anyone know if they are comparable?
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby Afterthought » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:25 am

I’ve used B2 booster yeah . I think they are the same , and b4 is similar but 1” larger diameter.

Hey it’s a good thing you found that because a tiny little leak like that one one side of the diaphragm or another can cause all sorts of weird issues


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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:01 am

I'll be checking out one later today. From what I have been told, as long as it has the adjustable rod it should be good to go. I have parts he wants, so it will probably be a parts exchange.
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1991 Audi 80 quattro (10vt project)
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2007 Mitsubishi Raider(Dakota in disguise)
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