Mike's 4ktq project

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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:20 pm

Thanks guys. I sold the B3 with a MINT Gamma radio. Sad I didnt keep it as it was another crazy ebay find (radio was unlocked, didnt need a code, and new).

This car is the plan for Carlisle this year. After a fresh service in the spring I plan on hauling it out there. I doubt I'll get any of the suspension work done by then, though.

Period correct stuff is what I like. Staying 10vt is so tempting!!!
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby dana » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:59 am

i hate to be blunt, but fuck the 10vt. Not worth the effort of installing one when a 20vt is very marginally more at this point. You could get an urq with a 3b in europe. It can be made very period correct.
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-the turbo tractor
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby PRY4SNO » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:21 am

dana wrote:i hate to be blunt, but fuck the 10vt.


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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:02 am

I prefer when you guys are honest and blunt :)

I go back and forth with it (thats what SHE said). Ugh, I dunno. We'll see how I like owning one. Good chance I'll be selling the A4 here soon for a nice 200 20v avant. That may sway my opinion :)
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:24 pm

I couldnt resist adding some V8 tails to this thing. Will sold me a set that is decently nice, so I spent some time this weekend to toss them in.

Spent time on Friday night getting old the old sealing goop out.

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These were cut in the middle obviously, so I'll have to get creative with the license plate. Only thing I gotta fix now are the reverse lights as they have not worked for a while. Wiring at the trunk hinge is good, thankfully.

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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:39 pm

Sheesh, I guess none of my photos work anymore :(

Small update, but nothing too interesting. The original coolant tank was a bit suspect looking in one area ever since I owned the car. I noticed it weeping a bit last week, so it was time to replace. On a whim for the 200 I had Will bring a spare typ44 tank to Carlisle. I used this one as a replacement and will use the new one for the 200. I drained everything using the radiator fan sensor. I must have buggered up the small gasket because once everything was back together and I was bleeding the system I had a small leak there. Again, luckily I had bought all sorts of stuff for a timing belt service, so out came the coolant again and in went a new sensor and gasket. All better.

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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby chaloux » Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:56 am

What is that coolant? Looks like mud lol
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby Driggs » Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:23 pm

dana wrote:i hate to be blunt, but fuck the 10vt. Not worth the effort of installing one when a 20vt is very marginally more at this point. You could get an urq with a 3b in europe. It can be made very period correct.


Please send me examples where I can pick up a running 20vt for 500-750. Because at most anytime you can get a running mc1/mc2 for less than a grand.. i very rarely ever see running 20v's that arent beat to shit for less than 2 grand. having an entire car is the best way to do the swap too as you can get it running perfect then swap EVERYTHING over that you need.. instead of finding little parts here or there.

just my 2 cents.. i just had to pass on two running 5k mc1's as i dont have the money.. and I am putting an mc1 in my 84 4kq from my 88 5ktq. why? because I dont come across a running 20vt for so cheap. and frankly, theres nothing wrong with a 10vt in a b2 chassis.. Mikey you should know this.
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby dana » Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:57 pm

Driggs wrote:
dana wrote:i hate to be blunt, but fuck the 10vt. Not worth the effort of installing one when a 20vt is very marginally more at this point. You could get an urq with a 3b in europe. It can be made very period correct.


Please send me examples where I can pick up a running 20vt for 500-750. Because at most anytime you can get a running mc1/mc2 for less than a grand.. i very rarely ever see running 20v's that arent beat to shit for less than 2 grand. having an entire car is the best way to do the swap too as you can get it running perfect then swap EVERYTHING over that you need.. instead of finding little parts here or there.



once the swap is all said and done, what percentage of the overall project is the cost of the engine? $500 is basically nothing in the scope of an old audi resto mod project.

However, I have bought a running but crappy urs4 for $500, a 200 20vt for $300 that had a blown clutch, and another with a blown ball joint for $500. These were all on the local VT craigslist finds. I also bought a complete 20vt swap with harness and ecu for one of my cars for $700 off audifans.

May I suggest an automated craiglist search that will alert you when something in your desired distance appears that fits your search criteria, or use a CL search engine like searchtempest.com.

Anyways, no judgement from me for any engine swap anyone cares to do. Clearly this is not a practical hobby, if it were we would all be buying new kias. I did a TDI swap. Probably one of the worst possible "bang for the buck" engine swaps ever. I could have built a 500whp 20vt for what I have into the car.

However, from the way I see things, I would never bother with a 10vt when the extra cost of a 20vt is an accounting error, and the 10vt offers nothing over the 20vt in ease, reliability, power or economy.
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-the turbo tractor
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-efi 10vt 4kq
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby Driggs » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:59 pm

dana wrote:
Driggs wrote:
dana wrote:i hate to be blunt, but fuck the 10vt. Not worth the effort of installing one when a 20vt is very marginally more at this point. You could get an urq with a 3b in europe. It can be made very period correct.


Please send me examples where I can pick up a running 20vt for 500-750. Because at most anytime you can get a running mc1/mc2 for less than a grand.. i very rarely ever see running 20v's that arent beat to shit for less than 2 grand. having an entire car is the best way to do the swap too as you can get it running perfect then swap EVERYTHING over that you need.. instead of finding little parts here or there.



once the swap is all said and done, what percentage of the overall project is the cost of the engine? $500 is basically nothing in the scope of an old audi resto mod project.

However, I have bought a running but crappy urs4 for $500, a 200 20vt for $300 that had a blown clutch, and another with a blown ball joint for $500. These were all on the local VT craigslist finds. I also bought a complete 20vt swap with harness and ecu for one of my cars for $700 off audifans.

May I suggest an automated craiglist search that will alert you when something in your desired distance appears that fits your search criteria, or use a CL search engine like searchtempest.com.

Anyways, no judgement from me for any engine swap anyone cares to do. Clearly this is not a practical hobby, if it were we would all be buying new kias. I did a TDI swap. Probably one of the worst possible "bang for the buck" engine swaps ever. I could have built a 500whp 20vt for what I have into the car.

However, from the way I see things, I would never bother with a 10vt when the extra cost of a 20vt is an accounting error, and the 10vt offers nothing over the 20vt in ease, reliability, power or economy.



All fair points.. im not looking for a 20vt, but I look all the time for any older audis and come across way more 10vts than anything else..

And personally the 10vt to me is more desireable.. i have a 20v in my 200 and love it.. really love it. but there is just something about the 10vt to me.. its attractive.. no, i dont smoke crack.

that being said if 2 3b's were dropped into my lap id be tempted not to put them in my 84 4kq and 83 urq... but i am also very tempted to find a 5 cylinder tdi and put it in the urq
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:34 pm

chaloux wrote:What is that coolant? Looks like mud lol


I blame the hipster instagram filter :). Its just green coolant. I have G11 to go in when I do the timing belt service.
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:24 pm

Been a minute, so I came to post an update. The 200 was sold on BaT in late summer and is now enjoying the weather in CA. Bittersweet letting that one go, but I'm happy it found a loving home. I had been considering what to replace it with. I was thinking of a UrS6 wagon, but I started thinking logically, which rarely happens.
I added my first non German car ever to the stable. Its only a lease, so in 3 years I'll re-evaluate where things are at. 2017 Honda CR-V handles most of the duties for now while I can get the 4kq up to snuff. And since the 4kq is my only Audi at the moment, it will get Carlisle duties. I have not had a 4kq at Carlisle since my old 4ktq of yesteryear.

What does this all mean? A few things. The 4kq sits and rarely gets driven, but it may be pressed more into winter duty, we'll see. There is a lot I would like to get done before May, so you may also see a wanted ad for certain parts. Below are the plans and work that needs done before Carlisle.

Timing belt/water pump service. I have all the parts for this now. Who wants to come help? :)
Brake service. Need a new brake proportioning valve as mine has seeped for a while. I have new pads/rotors ready to install.
AC service. Would like to get it working, but need a condensor. The one I got on here I sold to another Audi member in need.
Suspension overhaul. H&R springs with Sachs Advantage struts, and all the new stuff that goes along with it.
I'll need a roof rack with bike attachments if anyone has some they are looking to sell :)

Nothing else really at the moment. In terms of future plans, who knows. May wait til I move and have more space before any sort of swap begins. So until then I'll enjoy it for what it is.

The one thing I opted to do was detail the drivers side of the car. Using my older PC with used uber foam pads. I was just curious how much I could bring the paint back, as it was pretty scratched. Didnt come out too bad considering the pads and equipment I have. The top surfaces of the car are totally shot, I'm not even wasting my time on them.

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So, hopefully you will see this thing at Carlisle in May!
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:31 pm

Not much new, but its been a while. 4kq stays snuggled in the garage with the occasional drive in the snow. I'm starting to buy a few things here and there for a a suspension/brake overhaul that will need to be done before Carlisle. A few questions below.

- What are my options for control arm bushings? Historically I've had OEM bushings pressed in and also purchased new arms with bushings already installed. From what research I've done it seems there are a lot of Meyle parts, which I wouldnt mind staying away from. Any sources for Delrin kits?

- Aside from TIreRack, good resource for H&R springs? They have them for $229, which doesnt seem bad.

- Anyone have a 4kq roof rack needing a home? Will need one for Carlisle.
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby DE80q » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:36 pm

There is a set of bushings available from energy suspension that is useable. You would need to save the old bolt sleeves though. I can get you the part# if you want.

Here is the write up link.
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/audi-9 ... 619/page2/
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:57 pm

That is a viable option. It looks like my only option for NEW bolt in bushings would be 2B, which is disappointing. 300 for all 4 corners is a good deal, I think, at least at this point.

Also, the Urq blue strut mounts are now NLA! Man, all sorts of "normal" parts are now becoming super tough to find. Are the 034 Density mounts any good? Contemplating just OEM greenies :(

Maybe its time to just sell and get something newer :)
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby DE80q » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:04 pm

I was told that 034 fixed the molding issues that they had. Goerge picked up a set for his B3 and they look good.
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby chaloux » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:51 pm

I had the "new" 034 ones on my 4k and they seemed fine. I spent like $1200 one winter with them and did all the bushings, subframe mounts, strut mounts, sway bar mounts, everything that I could. It was great lol
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby PRY4SNO » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:14 pm

If you can get a hold of a Mance Mountsaver you'll be able to stretch out the lifetime of your mounts. Thing is, you NEED the Sachs/Boge mounts.
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:54 pm

Appreciate the replies so far!! Jared answered good questions regarding the CA bushings he has. When the time comes I'll likely use his kits and get 034 strut mounts.

Still accumulating parts. Got some front Boge Turbo shocks off ebay, so things are slowly coming together. I did inquire about the factory 2069 strut tool that removes the cap at the top of the strut housing. Yes, in the past (and probably every one else) I've used a pipe wrench. I was hoping to score a factory tool to have in my arsenal of factory stuff. Somebody out east was generous to send me one that I can copy. What I didnt know is that the front and rear caps have different openings. So the tool I have only works on the rear. Looks like I'll need to have a different one made for the front.

With Carlisle looming near I really need to get shit in gear if I'm taking this. Anyone have a 4kq roof rack needing a home? Prefer Thule, as I've been looking almost daily for a good used unit. Would need a few bike attachments as well.

Only small project was toss in a shift boot that Sue made for me a year or so ago. Fits great and with the new knob that grillage sent me, I'm happy. Dont mind the nasty winter floormats :)

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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby PRY4SNO » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:45 am

I made a strut nut tool by grinding a window into a deep socket. Was cheap and effective.
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:27 am

PRY4SNO wrote:I made a strut nut tool by grinding a window into a deep socket. Was cheap and effective.


I keep using wrong terminology :). This would be to remove the strut cap that screws on to the housing, not the top strut nut.
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby DE80q » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:23 am

You are looking for the gland nut removal tool... I lent mine to Corey K, along with the cylinder nut tool and never got them back...
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:17 pm

DE80q wrote:You are looking for the gland nut removal tool... I lent mine to Corey K, along with the cylinder nut tool and never got them back...


Really? Hopefully he sends it back :(

I'll be making a few copies and sending this one back. Interesting that the front and rear nuts have different sized openings. Didnt realize this until I got the tool and checked the PN's online. Oops!
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby DE80q » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:55 pm

Not so worried about it... I bought more haha.

As for the gland nut tool, I should probably make some for myself. I just don't think about it when we are slow at work.
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Re: Mike's 4ktq project

Postby AudiSport4000 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:50 pm

With Carlisle just 3 months away I checked my spreadsheet of all the parts I needed to order to get the 4kq ready for the trip. I did a lot of research and asking around about certain parts, but ended up having to order things from 4-5 different vendors due to availability. Really excited to finally get stuff sorted out. Below is a quick and dirty list of what will be done.

Timing belt service (I've had parts for well over a year for this job)
Brake overhaul (pads, rotors, brake pressure regulator, fresh Audi DOT 4 fluid)
Suspension overhaul (the whole shebang...springs, shocks, tie rods, ball joints, bushings)
Tuneup (plugs, rotor, cap)
Fuel service (OEM pre filter, main filter, pump)

Really excited to get this stuff going, but even more excited to roll into Carlisle in a 4kq again. Its been since 2005 since that happened (not including the 4ktq days).
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