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4 FOX SNAKES - Ross' 20vt 4kq

Postby chaloux » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:12 pm

**story time warning - for the "important stuff" look for the second set of stars**

Yesterday I was up for 23 hours. At 9 I took one of those 5 hour energy things. Lo and behold, it lasted about 5 hours! At 230, an hour away from home, dad took over and I dozed off. We parked the truck and trailer at dad's and I reluctantly took the Geo home. No mid-night hoonage for us (with no insurance, plates, etc...)

So my dad and I drove down to Schenectady, NY to pick up my family's second official Audi, a 1987 Audi 4000 CS Quattro with an AAN transplant, 034 IIc, and a Garrett 30R. I drove the car across the parking lot to test it out. I broke traction in first and second with ~18psi and a rich tune, decided it was good, and loaded it on the trailer. The flywheel and harsh engine/tranny mounts will take some getting used to.

About an hour into our trip, we were met with this weather:



A few minutes later, this happened on the Northbound lanes:


We decided to keep going (this particular spot has bad lake effect) and made it through the border without problems. We met up with Mike about 45 minutes late because the truck and trailer combo makes for pretty slow going. Seeing the car changed how I felt about it. It is awesome. I officially now love small chassis Audis. I realized it's not a beauty queen, but everything that needs to be is in amazing condition. Thankfully dad's shop neighbour is a body guy and friend (get to my plants in a minute) so I don't have to fret about the small details. I've decided to drive it in the winter, although sparingly. Dry weather/sunny days only. And I'm going to oil the snot out of it.

She had a few firsts on the way home. Her first exposure to salt:
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And her first exposure to snow. Hope she likes it!:
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**with sentiment out of the way, we can carry on**


The car is far from perfect, and I like it that way. It means I can work on it to make it mine without having to spend gobs of dough modding it (that can come later). For now I'm going to button up the interior, update the ECU, tune it, and sort out any issues that need to be addressed to make it a super solid driver.


Purchase date plans:

Exterior:
- black all chrome trim
- black rear branding
- have the car's paint restored and new pinstripes applied
- remove dents/dings as best as possible
- refinish wheels black or white
- roll fenders to allow for non-stretched tires to fit under the arches
- replace windshield (low priority)

Suspension:
- raise it a bit
- address clunks and wobble at 70mph
- explore big brake options

Interior:
- install missing trim pieces
- integrate switches to ignition (currently have to flip switches, turn key, and push the starter button)
- finish Innovate LC1/boost gauge install
- take a better look to see what else has to be done! lol

Motor, in rough order:
- update ECU, hook up N75, and tune
- rods & rod bearings
- fuel pump
- P&P head with: 7a cams, .5mm OS exhaust valves, high rate springs
- turbo upgrade: HTA3076 with 1.0AR divided hotside, quickspool valve, HANK manifold and downpipe
- possible switch to front facing throttle body IM and therefore new intercooler


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Build status as of July 2014:

Engine/Performance:
- AAN
- Fidanza 11lb alu flywheel
- Spec stage 3 clutch
- 60-2 7a trigger
- VEMS standalone tuned by ME (so far)
- stock pistons
- DMforged rods
- coated rod and main bearings
- p&p head, cut seats and new guides and seals
- ARP head studs
- .5mm+ exhaust valves
- 7a cams
- gutted 3b intake manifold
- STR log exhaust manifold
- refreshed GT3076r, .82a/r k26 hotside housing
- eBay turbo blanket, 3b heat shield
- 034 downpipe, Scorpion exhaust
- same side in/out Treadstone TRV185 FMIC
- 16 row Derale oil cooler, Aeroquip socketless hose and fittings
- 034 catch can with drain to oil pan
- 034 coils
- 044 fuel pump, accumulator delete
- 630cc injectors, 727cc @ 4bar
- 7a 4 bar fpr
- 30psi boost gauge
- oil pressure gauge

360whp@23psi
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Other:
- 350lb QA1 coilovers on Bilstein HD with Hyperco helper springs and Eibach spacers
- full suspension refresh with track density bushings, alu subframe bushings, and motorsport engine/trans mounts
- Borbet Type A 16x7.5" wheels
- Bridgestone RE760 215/45
- rolled fenders for da loooowww
- full Quattro script interior
- Corbeau GT seats, Sparco 4pt harness in driver's seat
- Momo Corse 3 spoke 350mm steering wheel with Momo 4k hub
bunch of other crap like stereo, sub, battery in trunk, head rest camera mount, etc... lol
Last edited by chaloux on Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:13 pm, edited 25 times in total.
Matt

01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4k - 2.3l AAN, VEMS, GTX30r, and coilovers

Postby chaloux » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:14 pm

I'll work on fixing the mg links and bringing content over here.
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01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4k - 2.3l AAN, VEMS, GTX30r, and coilovers

Postby chaloux » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:53 pm

So I posted this on MG - Dad is going to the big smoke and will pick me up either one or five rings from wiseco tomorrow. A set is $60 or one ring is $12. The only thing is I'd have one Wiseco ring and four JE rings which have slightly different designs. I'm leaning towards getting the set, but what would you do?
Matt

01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4k - 2.3l AAN, VEMS, GTX30r, and coilovers

Postby ringbearer » Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:27 pm

Get the right rings, don't skimp now
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Re: Matt's 87 4k - 2.3l AAN, VEMS, GTX30r, and coilovers

Postby Hank » Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:48 pm

I tend to agree. A lot of money and time to pull the engine because one has different compression than the others.
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Re: Matt's 87 4k - 2.3l AAN, VEMS, GTX30r, and coilovers

Postby chaloux » Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:50 pm

And really... for $45? Yeah. Gives me peace of mind.
Matt

01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4k - 2.3l AAN, VEMS, GTX30r, and coilovers

Postby chaloux » Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:55 pm

So I think I found a good name for the car, or at least a vanity plate.

FOX SNAKES

Think about it and say it out loud a few times. We have the Fox snake here in Ontario and I wanted to incorporate "Fox" as it's red, small, and smrt. Plus snakes are Satan and it'll probably end my marriage :P
Matt

01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4k - 2.3l AAN, VEMS, GTX30r, and coilovers

Postby 85oceanic » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:32 pm

:lol: I approve! I can't wait to start seeing videos of this beast on the road!
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Re: Matt's 87 4k - 2.3l AAN, VEMS, GTX30r, and coilovers

Postby chaloux » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:51 pm

Sarah, my wife, just had the perfect contribution, "why not put a 4 in front?"

4 FOX SNAKES it is...
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01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby amd is the best » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:28 am

So it's a GTX now? I thought the guy who built it before only had a standard 3076 on there. Did you swap it out?
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby chaloux » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:24 am

The plan is to go GTX3576 in a year (or two). So I figured for relatively cheap, I'll get the GTX part out of the way. Hank put the wheel on when I sent the CHRA to him for new bearings/seals.
Matt

01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4k - 2.3l AAN, VEMS, GTX30r, and coilovers

Postby quattro87 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:30 pm

ringbearer wrote:Get the right rings, don't skimp now


Coming from someone named ringbearer I think I'd have to agree. Get a set of the proper rings for the pistons.
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby FRCFD5 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:24 pm

secksy!
1992 Audi //S4, VEMS, GT3071R, RS2 Getriebe....



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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby chaloux » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:20 pm

Yeah I got five rings. No worries! Hope to gap them this evening
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01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby Hank » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:13 pm

Got news that your balanced CHRA is being sent back to me now from Arizona!!!!
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby amd is the best » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:59 pm

What's the cost of that service? I'd like to have my 30r done as well.
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby mushasho » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:16 pm

amd is the best wrote:What's the cost of that service? I'd like to have my 30r done as well.


Your cast wheel GT series turbo is already balanced from Garrett... and should've been retweaked when 034 hybridized it... Matt's was rebalance cuz Hank placed Billet GTX wheel on to an otherwise normal 30r... the swapping of wheels calls for the need to rebalance the assembly...

Unless you're inquiring on the cost of slapping a GTX wheel on your turbo...

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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq -

Postby amd is the best » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:10 pm

mushasho wrote:
amd is the best wrote:What's the cost of that service? I'd like to have my 30r done as well.


Your cast wheel GT series turbo is already balanced from Garrett... and should've been retweaked when 034 hybridized it... Matt's was rebalance cuz Hank placed Billet GTX wheel on to an otherwise normal 30r... the swapping of wheels calls for the need to rebalance the assembly...

Unless you're inquiring on the cost of slapping a GTX wheel on your turbo...

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I was interested in having my standard 30r upgraded and balance to a GTX. Not sure if it's even worth the money and effort though.
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby mushasho » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:16 pm

Yeah I'm not sure you've maxxed out your cast 30r... Then again your build has been set back and I think your at the point of rods... So even if it was worth it, it might not... You see what I just did there?

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Postby amd is the best » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:21 pm

mushasho wrote:Yeah I'm not sure you've maxxed out your cast 30r... Then again your build has been set back and I think your at the point of rods... So even if it was worth it, it might not... You see what I just did there?

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Oh, I see it. Staying normal 30r until engine build, then bye-bye 30r anyway.
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby chaloux » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:54 pm

Hopefully Hank will pm you a price.
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01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby chaloux » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:34 am

No pics unfortunately but last night I got the rods and Pistons together and all the rings set. I will get a photo because damn that stuff is purdy. Cross your fingers for putting the whole bottom end together tomorrow (day off)

How do I import a thread? I'm not going to do mine but I'd like to do dad's since it had 20ish pages.
Matt

01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby amd is the best » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:37 am

chaloux wrote:No pics unfortunately but last night I got the rods and Pistons together and all the rings set. I will get a photo because damn that stuff is purdy. Cross your fingers for putting the whole bottom end together tomorrow (day off)

How do I import a thread? I'm not going to do mine but I'd like to do dad's since it had 20ish pages.


We like piczzzzzz.

PM Marc for thread import.
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby chaloux » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:13 pm

Tonight we plastigauged the crank. Well within new specs - sweet. Installed the coated mains, crank, coated rod bearings, and rods/pistons. The main part of the bottom end is done! Dad's coated pistons look cool, but the shiny bare aluminum looks siiiiiiiiick. Tomorrow I've got the day off and I think the goal is to button up the bottom end and perhaps install the head. Should be pretty doable I think. Anyway, on with the pixxxxxx

pistons and rods. stoked. as I said before in the MG thread, I'm saving 1.6lb between the rods and pistons over stock!
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oil it
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finished! top. PUT YOUR SHADES ONNNN
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finished! bottom
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And finally, the intake manifold all welded up. Beautiful, isn't it? :foff: The important thing is it looks clean inside.

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And a video. Check the firing order.

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01 Allroad 6speed - RS4 clutch, catless downpipes, stuklr tune
04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
DEATH by rust - 96 Audi A6 Avant 2.5l TDI
GONE :( 87 4ktq - 4 FOX SNAKES
DEAD :( - 1996 S6 mit TDI
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Re: Matt's 87 4ktq - "4 FOX SNAKES"

Postby EDIGREG » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:23 pm

nice!! :thumbsup:
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