George's ABZ'd B4 90

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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby Gav » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:45 am

Hi ,
Great project with a great write up.
Im based in the uk. Ive also got a pearl white b4Q saloon running the later 40v 4.2 v8 from a c5 s6. Ive picked it up as a part running project and been trawling the US forums for info as there is very little on this conversion over here.
Everything is up and running. It goes ( quickly) and stops but the conversion is very agricultural. My plan is to make it as factory as possible.
Interesting info on the cooling. Mine has mix mash of pipework and using the stock 2.6 rad with 3 slimline fans with a separate two stage controller running two of the fans. However the in dash gauge is showing 121deg constant. Need to get it plugged into vcds and get a true reading. Power steering groans like hell. Ive tried 2 different dual vane v6 pump but the droan is still there. Will look at converting to vacuum brakes / steering and try to use the s6 pump.
Also has a miss when hot on WOT, think this might be a failing coilpack. Again need to have a look on vcds

Sorry for the hijack. Will keep following this and see how you get on
All the best
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby the german » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:35 pm

Link to the immo defeat you used?
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby Gav » Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:25 am

No immobiliser delete yet. The s6 clocks are partly still wired in and placed in the glove box
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby the german » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:32 am

That question was meant for George, sorry for any confusion
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby lorge1989 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:58 am

Gav wrote:Hi ,
Great project with a great write up.
Im based in the uk. Ive also got a pearl white b4Q saloon running the later 40v 4.2 v8 from a c5 s6. Ive picked it up as a part running project and been trawling the US forums for info as there is very little on this conversion over here.
Everything is up and running. It goes ( quickly) and stops but the conversion is very agricultural. My plan is to make it as factory as possible.
Interesting info on the cooling. Mine has mix mash of pipework and using the stock 2.6 rad with 3 slimline fans with a separate two stage controller running two of the fans. However the in dash gauge is showing 121deg constant. Need to get it plugged into vcds and get a true reading. Power steering groans like hell. Ive tried 2 different dual vane v6 pump but the droan is still there. Will look at converting to vacuum brakes / steering and try to use the s6 pump.
Also has a miss when hot on WOT, think this might be a failing coilpack. Again need to have a look on vcds

Sorry for the hijack. Will keep following this and see how you get on
All the best
Gav


Sweet project. I have a friend thinking about putting a belt driven Audi V8 into a B3/B4 chassis! Are you using the stock ECU? Retrofit the accelerator pedal into the B4 for drive by wire? How does it run?

the german wrote:Link to the immo defeat you used?


Here is the link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 1785545656

So far the car did not start without the immo installed. Once installed it fired up, and then after I was able to unplug it right away and start the car again.

I got to drive it again a bit and its not running correctly. Similiar issues to what I had going on for the Carlisle trip. Full throttle sucks, like its bogging down.

A little history, so I can keep this straight:

First ECU :
1997 A8, stock - ran ok, full throttle was weird, had to find a sweet spot partial throttle wise and she would move out.
Had TCU codes when scanned a few random misfires.

Second ECU :
1999 A8, stock - ran well, full throttle was there, everything else seems great
Never scanned.

Third (current) ECU :
1999, A8, with reflect tuning chip and immo, ran ok. Similiar to first ECU, but maybe even worse, as I can't find that sweet spot where it would accelerate quickly. I dont know how the immo device would effect any of this, but its either that or the chip I installed. I had it done by a guy I work with who has been doing stuff like this for years, so I am confident it was installed correctly. Before the reflect chip was installed the immo device was not needed. The chip, is based off of a euro file which apprently needs the immo device.
Never scanned. My next step is to scan this current ECU.

Might end up trying to find another 1999 ECU and just run it stock. I'm thinking there are some differences ECU and/or hardware wise between different model year ABZs.

I've been training for a half ironman, so car stuff has been on the backburner, severely.
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby the german » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:15 am

Thanks!
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby lorge1989 » Wed May 16, 2018 10:31 am

Few developments...

Have put this project off to do other things, until about a week ago when I decide oh shit lets go to Carlisle...

Figured out a few thing on the cluster but still can't get the temperature gauge to work. From what I can tell the blue/brown wire (pin 2, I think) on the black connector going to the cluster should go to the T connection on the temp sensor from the V6. I tried doing that offline, grounding the threads, heating up the sensor and running the wire right to the sensor. Gauge doesn't move.

Any insight on this? I also tried using the ABZ sensor that goes to the gauge but it seems a bit different. I could really use a pointer on how to get this functioning!

Lastly, I never had a speed signal going to the ECU... which might be why acceleration stuff was scewy with some ECUs? @the german, did you need to run that to the ECU?
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby Grillage » Wed May 16, 2018 3:50 pm

I had a similar issue with the temp sensor on my ABH/ABZ hybrid CQ. I ended up with the thought that whatever temp sensor the cluster is looking for needs to be put on the engine. The CQ (and I think the B4) use a MFTS with 3 or 4 prongs rather than the 1 or 2 prong sensor the ABZ uses. Do you have a wiring book for the B4?

Speed signal - you mean vehicle speed or engine speed?
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby the german » Wed May 16, 2018 5:22 pm

I'll check my notes RE temp sensor and VSS signal when I get home. As I recall, VSS signal goes to both ECU and cluster but will confirm.
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby lorge1989 » Wed May 16, 2018 10:56 pm

I mean vehicle speed. The car won't run without engine speed, but like I said in a post above I get some weird behavior with different ECUs and the only one that works well-ish is a stock 1999. I'm going to give it a shot, it's not hard to hook up. It would be awesome it it fixed my chipped ECU issues.

As far as the coolant temp goes, I had the wiring correct on the 4 wire ( updated part has 3) multi function coolant switch. My cluster was not working right though. Luckily I has a spare and swapped it in, I was able to get a reading from the original sensor by heating it up offline, grounding the threads and running the blue/brown wire from the clutster to it.

I decided to try to use the OE ABZ one ( front of the engine, right side when looking at the front of the car) by running my cluster wire (regulated 10v blue/brown) to the sensor and unlike the V6 sensor this one has a dedicated ground. To my joy it worked, the gauge reads a little higher than the normal V6, but I can easily run vagcom and match the tick marks to actual temperatures.

All in all it's coming together, also got the car inspected today which is a huge deal. The last one expired in 2017...

Edit: thanks for the help guys!
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby lorge1989 » Thu May 17, 2018 8:34 am

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I am just now looking for where to give the ECU a speedo signal, cannot find that pinout.
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby Grillage » Thu May 17, 2018 8:07 pm

From what I can tell, the VSS doesn't go to the ECU.

Here's the wiring diagram I used when I did my VEMS V8'd CQ

Top right of page 3 shows the VSS going to Instrument Cluster and nowhere else.
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Re: George's ABZ'd B4 90

Postby lorge1989 » Fri May 18, 2018 7:06 am

Well I am getting the code P0501 - which is a vehicle speed sensor range/performance issue. And I'm thinking the TCU may have sent over speed, which I don't have anymore. Even on the older stuff the instrument cluster has a 'speed out' to the ECU, the V6 the was in this thing before even had this. ( I am looking now and can't find the diagram I saw this on :rofl: , but I will find it! )

While those diagrams are great, I had alldatadiy at some point for this car and those diagrams were much more complete. I'm going to have to buy a bentley or get the all data again.....

I'm going to keep on lookin a bit. Thanks for the help!
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