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Postby Mcstiff » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:59 pm

More tomorrow :drive: ...

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*Old photo but ~90% the same

Below here I am going to add any major notable info and updates
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So this car was built by Mance Etheredge who used to have a built urS4 but bought this car with ~80k around 2003 from Champagne Motors. Mance is a machinist/engineer with a long history of performance car work; I am unaware of the majority of his builds since they were before I started messing with Audis and they are not very well documented online. He was involved in the 2006 PPIHC Open Class winning 'urA4' B5 with AAN car; some of his 12v work is saved @ http://12v.org/audi/

Starting in 2004, when I bought my first CQ, I found 20v.org, audifans.com, audiworld.com, and motorgeek.com this is when I found Mance' posts on this 90 ( First & Second posts on this 90). His work was always over the top and my budget but definitely gave me the confidence that these cars were worth dealing with and I figured that someday I could work up to his levels. I guess I took a shortcut :D

We'll start with what I think I know (likely to be modified once I poke around and talk to Mance):

Exterior:
OEM RS2 front bumper with brake duct fog lights
S2 Sedan/Avant rear bumper
Ellipsoidal headlights
OZ Superturismos (x5) 17x8.5 with 235/40/17 Nokian WR A3
OEM cloth Sport seats
Porsche 993 Mirrors

Front Suspension:
996TT front calipers with 2 pc. 323x32mm cross-drilled/ventilated rotors
Rear CQ strut housings (not swaged)
Bilstein urS dampers (unfortunately the Ohlins TTX46MT Mk IIs were never finished)
Billet adjustable steering arms (shortened for 2.6 turn lock to lock)[apparently 2.6 was stock so now must be <2.6]
Adjustable spring perches

Titanium tie rods with heim joints
Titanium adjustable front strut brace
Pro-Mount strut top mounts
Spring Rate 0800.250.0400
Sway Bar N/A

Rear Suspension:
B5 S4 rear calipers and 306mm X 23mm rotors and ECS hats
Ohlins coilovers
Spring Rate 1000.250.0450
Swaybar N/A

Engine (this is where the biggest questions for Mance are but the below seems to be the most recent update):
272* duration gun-drilled cams with 13mm lift
High RPM valve springs, LW lifters, titanium retainers
1mm larger int/exh valves that are "under-cut" 1mm with 1mm larger int/exh seats
6mm valve stems, guides, seals etc,
Ported, polished & CC'd IM, heads and combustion chambers (http://12v.org/audi/imworkshop/, http://12v.org/audi/headworkshop/14.htm)
6" diameter velocity stack airbox inlet
RC Engineering balanced/blueprinted injectors
Spiral wound Random Technology high-flow cats
Lightened 60-2 front crank damper/pulley

Transmission/Rear Diff (Again, I can't confirm the internal details but based on the recent updates):
7A single mass 16lb flywheel re-surfaced/lightened/balanced to 14lbs
200TQ Sachs OEM disc/pressure assembly
016 4.11 final drive but with a fairly high 5th for the HWY
Solid/short shifter (the 2-3 lateral throw is wide/weird; not sure if it's an 016 thing or can be adjusted)
B5 S4 rear diff
Lightweight single piece driveshaft
Tubular cromoly mount arms so engine/transmission sit 5/8" lower & shifted back ~2" in car for better/lower center-of-gravity
All CVs have been lightened per http://12v.org/audi/cvworkshop/
The front half shafts are gun drilled and powdercoated (he left the rears to improve weight balance)

Other Stuff:
Some crazy uprated 200 20v Master Cyl (I need to take a close look)
The steering hydro system has a nice Peterson AL reservoir, filter, and cooler
Remus rear box
Aero wipers off of something or other
Adjustable brake bias (red lever in front of the ABS below)
Should have Acetron bushings all over; I'll have to crawl around to list them all.
Rolled fenders for 245s

I think that's all I have to tell for now. The plan is to clean it up (paint/replace the front mesh, RS2 grill ($$), wash, wax, and detail) and drive it as I wrap up some loose ends on the CQ in preparation for listing it (the CQ) on a large scale. Once the CQ is on to it's next owner I'll think about a standalone (1000 more RPM and more advance would be great) and further down the road a supercharger or an 07k would be nice.

File photos representing the current state (cleaner though ;) )
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Archive of interesting threads, mainly for my reference:
[utl=http://www.audiworld.com/forums/audi-90-80-coupe-quattro-cabriolet-discussion-22/stock-configuration-swaybars-going-have-go-away-my-car-2108581/] Swaybar talk[/url]
2007 Weight numbers: 3,016/1,565F/1,451R, 52%/48% F/R
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby Audilard » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:07 am

Yes! One of my favorite cars ever! Glad you snagged it Ed!!
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby Audilard » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:08 am

This car deserves an 07k!
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby alxdgr8 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:02 am

I take it this is what you were wanting to sell the CQ to get?
Looks great! Who's car did it used to be?
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby chaloux » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:50 am

Whoa. Purdy
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby mushasho » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:07 am

alxdgr8 wrote:I take it this is what you were wanting to sell the CQ to get?
Looks great! Who's car did it used to be?


Mance's old car?... I'm not sure...
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby EDIGREG » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:13 am

wait, you bought Mance's car?? If so that is incredible!!
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby Mcstiff » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:16 am

EDIGREG wrote:wait, you bought Mance's car?? If so that is incredible!!


YES! :twisted:

So there is a fairly short list of cars which have inspired my own Audi projects over the last 9-10 yrs ( :rofl: that makes me feel older) and even fewer of those have changed hands. After having the timing be off and missing cars like Da Fridge, ZZak/Sean/Brandon's S-Line CQ, and Dave's S2++ (twice!) this listed on Autotrader Monday and was quietly posted on QW by a local, I am very glad that the people who saw that post (30 views; a bunch were me!) didn't send it to BAT/German Cars FS/Daily Tourismo.

Anyway, I had a short window on Monday for a quick inspection which confirmed it was the car (Knowing Mance' relationship with Champagne Motors, I was fairly sure). It took all week to decide I could make it happen but yesterday I took the wife down to check it out and go for a spin. To my surprise, she identified some positives about it, agreed that it was a good deal, that she'd be ok driving it (used to have an S2k but has never be happy with my projects :lol: ). So we sealed the deal and arranged to finalize and take delivery this morning.

My initial impressions after yesterday's drive is that it rides better than my CQ with H&R springs and while the power delivery is different. I would not be surprised if it is making ~180 whp as it feels similar to my old 1990 7at (034 alfa/stage 0.5) CQ in a straight line.

I'll grab some pics this afternoon if the weather holds out. I also want to poke around more closely to catalog the current iteration.
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby themagellan » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:08 am

super cool pick up dude, glad everything worked for you!
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby ringbearer » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:49 am

Wow! good score...

Anyone know how Mance is doing?
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby alxdgr8 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:22 pm

Awesome!

ringbearer wrote:Wow! good score...

Anyone know how Mance is doing?


He's enjoying his new S5
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1983 Aud UrQ (20vt swap in progress)
1995 Audi 90QS (Previously 32v V8, now AEB 1.8T)
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby ringbearer » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:24 pm

Very good!
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby Mcstiff » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:45 pm

HOME!

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Since it's starting to snow in town (and west) I didn't bother taking the long way home but I'll have to hit up a canyon soon. As you can see, the bumper needs alignment, a turn signal, and I plan on blacking out the mesh (does not look OEM, not sure if I'll try a different pattern). I'll probably get a chance to take some more detailed pics of parts tomorrow when I wash and detail it (if the sun comes back!).

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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby PRY4SNO » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:54 pm

CONGRATS!!!!

What an über-sweet pick up! Can't wait to see the development as it progresses, and glad that it found a suitable home :D
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby audifreakjim » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:51 pm

Oh no you dinnt. Sweet!
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby EDIGREG » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:51 pm

so awesome. I was also inspired by this car! the suspension is especially drool-worthy !!

Congrats !!
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby chaloux » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:52 pm

Dude I need more details! I know nothing about this car.
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04 Jetta TDI - DC stage I clutch/14lb fw
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby Mcstiff » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:05 pm

Mom tested, kid approved...

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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby alxdgr8 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:48 pm

EDIGREG wrote:so awesome. I was also inspired by this car! the suspension is especially drool-worthy !!

Congrats !!


Indeed, I'd love some Motons on my 90. Weren't these special motorsport ones too?
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby 85oceanic » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:58 pm

Fantastic score man! I love it!
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby ringbearer » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:15 pm

Mcstiff wrote:Mom tested, kid approved...



Awesome! :)
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby Audilard » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:24 pm

Uh Oh Ed, she looked like she was enjoying it! I'm jealous! Nice car!
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Postby Mcstiff » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:29 pm

Audilard wrote:Uh Oh Ed, she looked like she was enjoying it! I'm jealous! Nice car!


I can't explain it but she's only driven any of my 3 CQs a handful of times. Before we were together she had an S2k and has some seat time on street bikes but she was always turned off by the 'project-ness' of the Coupes. Now that I think of it, I don't think she's driven the current CQ with the full 14psi tune :idunno: Anyway, she decided to drive it home from dinner too and had some more fun,good times! I will say, if anyone is wondering, the sedan back seat is tighter in both width and leg room. NBD as they'll all be in boosters soon and I rarely have more than 2 in the car at once.

chaloux wrote:Dude I need more details! I know nothing about this car.


So this car was built by Mance who used to have a build up urS4 but bought this car with ~80k around 2003 from Champagne Motors. Mance is a machinist with a long history of performance car work; I am unaware of the majority of his builds since they were before I started messing with Audis and they are not very well documented online. He was involved in the 2006 PPIHC Open Class winning 'urA4' B5 with AAN car; some of his 12v/B4 work is saved @ http://12v.org/audi/

Starting in 2004, when I bought my first CQ, I found 20v.org, audifans.com, audiworld.com, and motorgeek.com this is when I found Mance' posts on this 90. His work was always over the top and my budget but definitely gave me the confidence that these cars were worth dealing with and I figured that someday I could work up to his levels. I guess I took a shortcut :D

We'll start with what I think I know (likely to be modified once I poke around and talk to Mance):

Exterior:
OEM RS2 front bumper with brake duct fog lights
S2 Sedan/Avant rear bumper
Ellipsoidal headlights
OZ Superturismos (x5) 17x8.5 with 235/40/17 Nokian WR A3
OEM cloth Sport seats
Porsche 993 Mirrors

Front Suspension:
996TT front calipers with 2 pc. 323x32mm cross-drilled/ventilated rotors
Rear CQ strut housings (not swaged)
Bilstein urS dampers (unfortunately the Ohlins TTX46MT Mk IIs were never finished)
Billet adjustable steering arms (shortened for 2.6 turn lock to lock)
Adjustable spring perches
Titanium tie rods with heim joints
Titanium adjustable front strut brace
ProMounts
Spring Rate TBD
Sway Bar TBD

Rear Suspension:
B5 S4 rear calipers and 306mm X 23mm rotors and ECS hats
Lightweight B5 upper a-arms
Stasis Ohlins "B5" coilovers
Spring Rate TBD

Engine (this is where the biggest questions for Mance are but the below seems the most recent update):
272* duration gun-drilled cams with 13mm lift
High RPM valve springs, LW lifters, titanium retainers
1mm larger int/exh valves that are "under-cut" 1mm with 1mm larger int/exh seats
6mm valve stems, guides, seals etc,
Ported, polished & CC'd IM, heads and combustion chambers (http://12v.org/audi/imworkshop/, http://12v.org/audi/headworkshop/14.htm)
6" diameter velocity stack airbox inlet
RC Engineering balanced/blueprinted injectors
Spiral wound Random Technology high-flow cats
Lightened 60-2 front crank damper/pulley

Transmission/Rear Diff:
Steel LWFW (~12#) with
016 4.11 final drive but with a fairly high 5th for the HWY
Solid/short shifter (the 2-3 lateral throw is wide/weird; not sure if it's an 016 thing or can be adjusted)
B5 S4 rear diff
Lightweight single piece driveshaft
The whole thing is shifted back a bit for better COG

Other Stuff:
All CVs have been lightened per http://12v.org/audi/cvworkshop/
The front half shafts are gun drilled and powdercoated (he left the rears to improve weight balance)
The steering hydro system has a nice Peterson AL reservoir, filter, and cooler
Remus rear box
Aero wipers off of something or other
Adjustable brake bias (red lever in front of the ABS below)
Should have Acetron bushings all over; I'll have to crawl around to list them all.

I think that's all I have to tell for now. The plan is to clean it up (paint/replace the front mesh, RS2 grill ($$), replace indicator, wash, wax, and detail) and drive it as I wrap up some loose ends on the CQ in preparation for listing it (the CQ) on a large scale. Once the CQ is on to it's next owner I'll think about an 07k (though I'd have to pull out a bunch of the special 12v/016 parts in the process).

File photos representing the current state (cleaner though ;) )
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby the german » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:39 pm

sweet!! somehow I have completely missed this one over the years, but it looks and sounds great :)
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Re: 1PissedOff90

Postby the german » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:41 pm

BTW- if this was one of your inspirations, what else is on that list? I'm always on the lookout for more inspirational reading material....
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