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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are delicious.

Postby pilihp2 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:35 pm

Lets talk drivetrain shit.

So this thing needs a clutch.
Do I spend the money on an 016 clutch? Or go 01e and invest in all that is required to do the 01e.

Lets compare here
016 Clutch kits are easily the most expensive compared to AAN and 7A kits.
But I could just pull the trans, throw a clutch in, and bolt it back up.

OR. I could purchase a 7a kit and find an 01e and throw that in. All said and done it's going to be more expensive, but the 01e was in the plans at some point anyways, and that will save money in the long run.
I have a SB AAN kit from my roommate that he had leftover, but I'd need to run a dual mass FW with that, and I mean come on, fuck that.


I think I know the answer to these questions, I guess I'm just looking for somebody else to say: "yeah that's a good idea you blabbering idiot."
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, clutches and trannies oh my.

Postby ringbearer » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:57 pm

Sucks that the 01e is considered an upgrade. Shifts suck and it's not that strong or cheap. The edu ratios aren't fun with an I5 either
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, clutches and trannies oh my.

Postby zarati » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:50 pm

With the power you're running I'd say go 01E. Only reason to keep the 016 wold be if you were wanting to keep the open center/ Locker setup for some reason (Rally being the only reason I can think you would). For a 300+ WHP track car, I'd go 01E while you have it out.
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, clutches and trannies oh my.

Postby vt10vt » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:15 pm

ringbearer wrote:Sucks that the 01e is considered an upgrade. Shifts suck and it's not that strong or cheap. The edu ratios aren't fun with an I5 either

I can't really comment on strength but honestly the shifting is at best the same as an 016 and at worst... worse.
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, clutches and trannies oh my.

Postby pilihp2 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:24 pm

The locker 016 that was in it shifted really really smoothly
The torsen 016 I put in is a little more notchy, really could use a good fluid change.

Not a fan of the 01e's I've driven, but there's really not many options to choose from.
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, clutches and trannies oh my.

Postby dana » Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:19 am

01e's do seem really notchy. I think part of it is the way they are shifted in the big chassis cars with the linkage coming off the top of the shifter. I am hoping that they will shift better when adapted to a small chassis rs2ish setup.
Ive noticed subies shift similar and they have a similar linkage at the shifter end.
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, clutches and trannies oh my.

Postby pilihp2 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:46 pm

Have done more stuff to this thing in the past 3 weeks than I have all year.
workin on some fun things in the rear like bushings and brakes. I hate bushings.
I also hate how many bushings the rear of the T44 has.


Gettin BBQ Ready, woot woot,
Also ordered a fun whooshy thing that makes horsepowers, but that probably won't be ready by BBQ.
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, clutches and trannies oh my.

Postby pilihp2 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:15 pm

Some dumb fuzzy phone pictures.

Gotta order some V8 rear rotors because these brakes are 20020v rear brakes which fit onto 5ktq hubs, but not v8 hubs. Offset of Rotor is different from V8 and 200 it appears. V8 is same stuff as Urs4 from everything I've researched and what ETKA tells me.

Ugh more money to spend
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, gettin BBQ ready

Postby ringbearer » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:55 pm

Nice, you get those knuckle bushes fitted? Or at least that one that didn't fit? No more ttrs turbo?
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, gettin BBQ ready

Postby pilihp2 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:03 pm

Nah, I showed Albert the size of these ones that I was sent and then had him send me correct dimensions and they're about 4mm off like I thought. He originally sent me the wrong ones, he's now sending the correct sizes. Depending on when they get here I might take the hubs back off to fit them, but I wanted to get them on there to make sure everything fits right. And fitting them today made me realized I have the wrong rear discs, so it was a good idea to put them on there.

Also have some 48mm bushings for the front bracket, trap, arm, thing. What do you even call it? the circled thing in the attached picture. Urs4/20020v is 48mm. 5k/90v8 is 44mm. When I ordered these back in January he only had the 48mm kit.
So if anybody with a 20020v/urs4 wants some, I gots some.


And yeah, goin bigger. Will post when it comes in.
Like I was saying with a buddy of mine, it's kine of like getting the carriage before the horse.
it's like getting the wheel for the carriage, before getting the carriage and horse...
Need many things before turbo swap, but I mean, it was a steal.
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, gettin BBQ ready

Postby ringbearer » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:53 pm

Glad you got it figured out. I could use those bushes but I've got an 10 day old son so no money or time for car work ATM. She still runs and gets beat on whenever I get the chance though! Hasn't had a bath or oil change for a year :hide:
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby pilihp2 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:32 am

So. I really really need tires soon.

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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby 88a5tq » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:20 pm

Would it be against the rules for you to share your LC settings por favor? That was badass! I've lost confidence in my settings after the engine failure :(
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby the german » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:24 am

:D I approve of this
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby 88a5tq » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:06 am

I guess I'll revert to these until I hear from you
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby loxxrider » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:13 pm

Why do you have that boost decrease setting so low?
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby 88a5tq » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:21 pm

The holset takes forever to spool for LC but these are the settings from efiexpress.com's help section :)
My settings were at 220 kpa iirc
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby loxxrider » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:26 pm

You should be able to get it spooling fast with lc. You don't want to limit that number on a big turbo like that. Just let it build boost.
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby 88a5tq » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:28 pm

Cool thanks. All else will stay same then :)
My lambda during LC always had me perplexed. Apparently stoichiometric is safe at full LC boost levels?
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby loxxrider » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:20 pm

Afr readings don't really apply during lc because of the inefficiency of the combustion events and all the excess fuel. Trust me, being lean is the last thing you need to worry about during lc. That's definitely not happening! Doesn't mean it doesn't get hot though.
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby 88a5tq » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:26 pm

I run meth injection during LC all the time because I'm worried about cylinder temps. Thanks for the explanation man
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby pilihp2 » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:59 pm

Forgot to save the config to my laptop so I dont have it off hand
If you change the control range from 300 to like 100, it will be louder and more badasserer
if you change it to 20, it's like gun shots.
Mine is at 20

So just some food for thought.
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby 88a5tq » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:31 pm

YESSSS thank you Phil!
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby pilihp2 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:37 pm

Scuse shitty phone pics
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Re: Phil's 20vt 5ktq, Donuts are Delish

Postby ringbearer » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:51 am

Comfy!
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