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Searching for the perfect idle #DailyDriver

PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:29 am
by Foscora
Hi,

I'm finally done with most of the tuning on my freshly EFI converted NF (10V 2.3L NA), most of my VE map is done and I've been using the car regularly and everything goes smooth except for one thing : Idle.

Cold starts / Warm starts aren't an issue, I can get the car to idle ... but I can't get it "fine-tuned" enough it's either :
- The car runs too rich (like 12 to 11.5 AFR)
- Idle is a hair too high, (I'd like 850 to 900 like standard)
- Engine almost wants to stall when I come to a stop / when the coolant fan kicks in.
- Idle is bouncing

I have an ISV on this engine (OEM one)
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Since I'm running NA, I'm using Boost PWM to set this ISV to the desired position, using a Boost Map Table at low vacuum / rpm

My main issue is that on the stock engine, this ISV is the only way to "set" the idle, so AFAIK, there's no way to adjust the idle on my throttle body (no screw), it's only that small window on the ISV (here in rest position) that allows air to come in

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Problem is my engine won't idle / start if I don't mess with this ISV on my boost map.

There's a screw on the side of it but it's filled with resin to avoid tempering ... and I'd like to keep this thing as is (because I'm guessing it doesn't have to do with this anyway)

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Question 1 :
- On a "standard engine" with an adjustment screw on the throttle body, I reckon it's possible to get it to idle perfectly without and ISV right?

Question 2a :
- On my engine, the ISV is only supposed to be there to prevent stalling and help for (cold) starts right ? Like "just to smooth things out"

Question 2b :
- If so, it shouldn't be opened all the time at idle like it's currently the case on my car?

Question 3 :
- Since it's the first time I do this stuff and I've never messed with any other EFI'ed car than my own, what are the usual AFR on warm engine at idle?

Question 4 :
- I own another throttle body from a 2.2L NA engine, bolts plug and play on my manifold and it's supposed to have an idle screw on it (except mine apparently got lost and is missing), should I start with that? (I mean once I get my hands on such a screw)

(Bonus) Question 5 :
- Any tips on how to get a clean-steady-perfect idle?


EDIT : Forgot to mention I'm using no TPS, just MAP sensor

Re: Searching for the perfect idle #DailyDriver

PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:28 am
by ChrisAudi80
Is it possible for you to get a standalone ECU? You would have much better control.

Re: Searching for the perfect idle #DailyDriver

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:45 pm
by Foscora
I do have one lol

Re: Searching for the perfect idle #DailyDriver

PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:32 am
by Lucky
Did you figure out a solution yet? What is your pwm frequency set at? Default for boost is usually pretty low at 21hz try boosting it up so the iac responds faster. My idle would bounce and sometimes stall at lights when I pushed the clutch in, if i rode the gear down to idle speed then pushed the clutch it would be ok. When I raised the frequency it smoothed it out and always catches itself now. It's worth a shot to try. While it is a different car than yours, I found mine works well at 100hz.

Re: Searching for the perfect idle #DailyDriver

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:39 pm
by Foscora
I don't have the actual value but it's probably closer from 80hz than 20hz tho.

I'm still not quite satisfied with my idle but I managed to smooth it somehow, yet it's not a steady / strong idle like I'd want

Re: Searching for the perfect idle #DailyDriver

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:02 pm
by cuatrokoop
This is super old, I realize that, but what throttle are you running that doesn't have an idle set screw? I thought all of the 2.3L engines had them, and most of the 2.2L as well for that matter.