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HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bushings

Postby AngryTaco » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:58 pm

Are you sick and tired of aluminum subframe bushings beating you up when you go for a pleasure drive to put Shelby Mustangs in their place? How would you like the performance benefits of aluminum subframe bushings but the comfort of rubber (to a point)?!

Ok enough of the used car salesman, here is the deal:

I can start producing polyurethane subframe bushings. I have been in talks with my poly supplier and they have given me a quote and information on producing these bushings. They will have dimensions based off of the stock bushings and will be a 2-piece design like 034's aluminum bushings (and others that have made them). They will be in 95A (stiff stuff) durameter which will provide the performance benefits similar to aluminum but will also not rattle you apart and absorb vibrations AND road noise a hell of a lot better.

In order for me to start producing these, I need about 15 cars (30 subframes) to get on board with my initial order. Since I'm already down for a set in my car (I am sick and tired of the aluminum ones), I need another 6 cars to sign up.


I will stock these in BLACK only! Please pm if you want a different color! THIS MAY CHANGE THE PRICE!

Price: Each subframe set will retail at $80 meaning $160 per CAR. I am offering a one-time pre-order incentive of $75 per subframe to get the ball rolling. My retail cost may be higher than $80 due to unforseen costs.

I w Please share and inform your fellow Audi enthusiasts about these. Thank you! :ty:

Current Signed up Parties:

AngryTaco (P) -- 2x
Dana (P) -- 2x
McStiff (P) -- 2x
Alexdgr8 (P) -- 1x
Scubagli (P) -- 2x
Volvadi (P) -- 2x
ScubaDave (P) -- 2x
40v4kq -- 1x
Brian F (P) -- 1x
SOC (QW-P) -- 2x
Derek S (QW-P) -- 2x
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby scubagli » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:57 am

I would be interested in a set, do you have any others in line? Need a down payment?
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby AngryTaco » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:25 am

Yes we already have about 5 cars signed up. Once I get 10 dedicated people, I'm sending out invoices for the pre-payment. I'm updating the thread right now with those interested parties.

Are you interested in one sub-frame set or an entire car worth?
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby scubagli » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:41 am

Entire car. When your ready email me at scubagli@yahoo.com
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby scubagli » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:04 pm

Update how's tooling coming?
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby AngryTaco » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:17 am

Tooling is done. Just waiting for prototypes to show up so I can verify fitment
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby AngryTaco » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:55 am

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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby ChrisAudi80 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:48 am

Any plans for control (stamped/cast) arm bushings for the B3/B4/B5?
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby AngryTaco » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:08 am

Not in the future as I am a Powerflex Dealer. I can order you sone really nice bushings if you desire. I can however, start my own line if there is enough interest
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby ChrisAudi80 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:14 am

AngryTaco wrote:Not in the future as I am a Powerflex Dealer. I can order you sone really nice bushings if you desire. I can however, start my own line if there is enough interest

Cool, I'll let you know.
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby auditude » Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:26 pm

AngryTaco wrote:<snip>
In order for me to start producing these, I need about 15 cars (30 subframes) to get on board with my initial order. Since I'm already down for a set in my car (I am sick and tired of the aluminum ones), I need another 6 cars to sign up.
<snip>
Price: Each subframe set will retail at $80 meaning $160 per CAR. I am offering a one-time pre-order incentive of $75 per subframe to get the ball rolling. My retail cost may be higher than $80 due to unforseen costs.
<snip>
Current Signed up Parties:

AngryTaco (P) -- 2x
Dana (P) -- 2x
McStiff (P) -- 2x
Alexdgr8 (P) -- 1x
Scubagli (P) -- 2x
Volvadi (P) -- 2x
ScubaDave (P) -- 2x
40v4kq -- 1x
Brian F (P) -- 1x
SOC (QW-P) -- 2x
Derek S (QW-P) -- 2x

This thread is pretty old and probably doesn't have the latest updates on the pre-order, but above I count 19 of the 30 sets. Are there any more sets available at the pre-order price? I need at least one set for my CQ at this time, and perhaps a second set at some point.

My motivation and interest in my CQ just got a huge boost having obtained a good dashboard to replace my horribly sun-destroyed one, which was a big buzzkill. I am finalizing some of my suspension bits and will be installing a Whiteline rear sway bar along with a subframe swap from a later model CQ that has the bar mounts. I just pressed out the old bushings and need some new ones to continue. For the front I'll be swapping in some cast control arms from a B4 90Q donor and an RS2 front bar. The CQ is sitting on KW coilovers and I have one pair of Mance/VAP sway bar links but I need either a set of rear stock links or another set of custom links for the front.
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby AngryTaco » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:36 am

That will be a nice setup for sure. Hell I bet it will make Dave jealous!

PM replied to btw.

Yeah this thread lacks major updates lol. Pre-orders are long gone as these are in full production
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby dana » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:49 am

I have a little feedback now that I have installed these. Overall, im pleased with fitment and quality. I do think you might consider putting a heavier gauge sleeve in the center. The supplied sleeve is quite thin and easy to distort if you overtighten the bolts. I wasn't able to get a nice tight fit that inspires confidence. If you tighten them to the point where they feel right, the sleeve wants to deform some.

Just my thoughts, overall I'm pleased with them.
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby AngryTaco » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:31 am

dana wrote:I have a little feedback now that I have installed these. Overall, im pleased with fitment and quality. I do think you might consider putting a heavier gauge sleeve in the center. The supplied sleeve is quite thin and easy to distort if you overtighten the bolts. I wasn't able to get a nice tight fit that inspires confidence. If you tighten them to the point where they feel right, the sleeve wants to deform some.

Just my thoughts, overall I'm pleased with them.



Dana, thank you for the thoughts.

On the sleeve material, I have updated the bushings to use a 7/8" 6061 sleeve. They are much stronger, better tolerances, and cheaper for me to produce. If you ever (and this applies to everyone) want the updated sleeves, let me know or send the bushings back to me and I will bore and send them back with the appropriate updated sleeves.
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby Mcstiff » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:43 am

AngryTaco wrote:
dana wrote:I have a little feedback now that I have installed these. Overall, im pleased with fitment and quality. I do think you might consider putting a heavier gauge sleeve in the center. The supplied sleeve is quite thin and easy to distort if you overtighten the bolts. I wasn't able to get a nice tight fit that inspires confidence. If you tighten them to the point where they feel right, the sleeve wants to deform some.

Just my thoughts, overall I'm pleased with them.



Dana, thank you for the thoughts.

On the sleeve material, I have updated the bushings to use a 7/8" 6061 sleeve. They are much stronger, better tolerances, and cheaper for me to produce. If you ever (and this applies to everyone) want the updated sleeves, let me know or send the bushings back to me and I will bore and send them back with the appropriate updated sleeves.


:hide: Mine are still on the shelf...
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby ringbearer » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:14 am

AngryTaco wrote:
dana wrote:I have a little feedback now that I have installed these. Overall, im pleased with fitment and quality. I do think you might consider putting a heavier gauge sleeve in the center. The supplied sleeve is quite thin and easy to distort if you overtighten the bolts. I wasn't able to get a nice tight fit that inspires confidence. If you tighten them to the point where they feel right, the sleeve wants to deform some.

Just my thoughts, overall I'm pleased with them.



Dana, thank you for the thoughts.

On the sleeve material, I have updated the bushings to use a 7/8" 6061 sleeve. They are much stronger, better tolerances, and cheaper for me to produce. If you ever (and this applies to everyone) want the updated sleeves, let me know or send the bushings back to me and I will bore and send them back with the appropriate updated sleeves.



Good on you Taco :)
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby dana » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:49 am

I appreciate the offer, and if I had realized this before I was starting to really move on this project i would definitely take you up on it. Couple questions:

-do you know if these thin sleeves are a safety concern? I.E. I see it being possible that the bolts cannot be torqued enough to ensure they will stay tight.

-is there any possibility that you can send sleeves and I can just drill these out myself carefully with a drill press? (seems like i might risk boring them out to large and creating slop)

It would be a fairly significant setback for me to pull both of my subframes back off and send all the bushings back to you, but I suppose I don't want my subframe to get loose when I'm halfway across the country next October.

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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby gabriel.b » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:02 am

What is the current retail price?
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby DE80q » Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:01 pm

gabriel.b wrote:What is the current retail price?

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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby gabriel.b » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:48 am

DE80q wrote:
gabriel.b wrote:What is the current retail price?

http://www.hershperformance.com/ascsfbs.html


From website-
"These will fit all 4000 quattros, the urq (Quattro), B3 80/90s + Coupe, and the B4 80/90 (front subframe only!)"

I have a B3 coupe, will these fit front and rear as stated in the thread or are they front only?
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby DE80q » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:50 am

It's a B3, so they will fit front and rear.
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Re: HPR -- Small Chassis B2/B3/B4 Polyurethane Subframe Bush

Postby gabriel.b » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:56 am

DE80q wrote:It's a B3, so they will fit front and rear.



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