ShavedQuattro wrote:thats a good idea and I think I will take you up on that idea! Got pictures of where you ended up drilling?
Hank
nope! that was like 2.5 years ago at least just measure from the block to about the clutch area up by the timing hole, then go drilling from directly below the clutch... bottom of the bellhousing where the casting seam is.
Well at least we have issues of some commonality... problems, problems, problems. Does anyone know what the part number is for 3B flywheel while were on the subject of clutches and flywheels etc.. ? I want to make sure this does not happen with my install on the 4000kq and 016 box... Sounds like the 3B wheel is the proper way to go to avoid all the issues with binding and modifying. Any chance there would be any problems with the throw-out pilot tube or are they all the same part numbers 016, 01A etc...? This assuming you are using a modified push rod, and the shave disk is not binding against the splines...
Ok, well I modified the rod, and nothing. I couldnt get the slave into position to put the pin in it even with the slave bottomed out physically. So I switched gears and put the original one back in, and started bled the slave really well, and tried that again. nothing.. My Dad got home from work, and we drilled a hole in the bottom of the tranny to see how things are working.. I am baffled.. I dont know what is going on..
We have .043 thousanths of seperation, and it dosnt let it seperate or slip enough to get the car into gear. It seperates cleanly, and while it tends to gap more on the pressure plate side than the the flywheel side, you can get the feeler gauge between the two surfaces.. I was modifyin a second pin that would push the TO bearing another .050 thousanths when this cute girl I am trying to date called me wanting me to go out with her.. So I went.. Sorry, but tomarrow I will report the progress, and if it will work.. The part is already made, and just needs to be switched out for the Rod that is in there now.. Shouldnt take that long.
Really is a shame because the car starts beautifully and idles great!! I did run into some problems though at the beginning of the week, that I will explain later, but that Youtube video was only 3 cylinders firing.. two injectors were stuck, and one coil burnt up, taking out a driver... Pretty crappy, but she is smooth as a whistle now, and spools quite nicely!!
Sounds to me like the input shaft is jammed solid into the flywheel.
U have the proper pilot bearing? The clutch could be traveling properly on the shaft, but if the shaft is "stuck" in the flywheel it would do what you are describing.
hmmm. intreesting thought Sean. I put the bearing out of the 20020v kit I got from Spec.. I assumed that it was the same and compatible to the 016 tranny.. was I wrong? I am beginning to think that something is binding too.. I think the tranny will come out tonight, and we will take a little gander.. bc, this isnt making sense, and it is starting to piss me off. I have spent almost a week on something that I would have never thought I would have to..
HI I'm at work so I don't have time to fully read the thread.
excuse me if this has been said already or I'm mistaken to the problem.
for what it's worth the O16 non torsen tranny on the 20vt and the 016 torsen tranny on the 200 20vt use different forks. the part that the release bearing slips on to.
I know that for my urq I using the 016 torsen tranny from late 20vt (which is the same as the 200 20vt apart from diff ratios)I have to use the fork from that tranny with the torsen clutch and flywheel which is the same clutch as the 20vt
hmm that sounds confusing.
basically the torsen , non torsen 016 tranny's use different release bearing forks as well as the lighter flywheel and different clutches.
hmmm. Yeah, I stumbled upon that fact before as well, and I agree.. The interesting thing is that before on my 20v, I used the locker 016 tranny with a 3b PP and a 7a flywheel.. parts that were never used with the locker tranny.. It worked great.. I should have switched the forks over, and when I have it out next, I probably will do that.. but for now, I am stuck.. The thing is, I am getting good seperation, its just something is binding.. And I am going to figure it out today!!!
Really weird. I had the same issue happen few days ago on my Coupe but everything about my clutch/FW/tranny is stock....it released itself after a 130 mi drive home and has been fine since. It did happen to me on the track though. Maybe you should take it out, drive it and beat it a litle - it may just let it go?;-) Wish I could help more - good luck!
Hank and I have talked about doing just that.....romp on it and hope it breaks loose. The problem is that it is a brand new resurface on the fidenza flywheel and a brand new disk and pressure plate. We were able to push the clutch in and break the clutch loose, but the thought of just frying a new 3+ clutch doesn't sit well either and after slipping it a bit it still won't allow a shift. :?
Damn it. You are right though, I'd be afraid to do with a new clutch. Well, you guys have done so much so far, just drop the damn trans and figure it out. I doubt you can fix much from the outside.
hmm peter, thanks for the experience.. Javad told me a simular story with the vr6 car, and after 20 slips or so, it started to just started to go.. Yeah, I dont know.. If i could get it into gear, I would totally do it, but it sucks running with a started car fast enough to rev match 1st gear... sucks really bad actually..
ok, so with the hole drilled, have your dad push the pedal in, and you lay underneath and rotate the disc with your finger... that should be possible. if not, it's not releasing period and something isn't right. mine didn't turn and that's why i tore it apart.
but it sucks running with a started car fast enough to rev match 1st gear... sucks really bad actually..
You can read my project thread on full story but I actually was able to shift into gear with car off - so, I put it in 1st an dthen cranked the engine...it would jump and catch on....and the you just drive off, rev-matching.
ok, well I should have taken pictures, but things were kindof goofy in there.. I didnt see anything obviously wrong when i pulled the tranny last night, but the wear patterns on the flywheel surface were kindof wierd.. It acted like it didnt want to come off the flywheel side, and I am going to chalk that up to the splines.. I think maybe they didnt go in the straitest on the install, and they had either dirt or buggered splines, becuase it was pretty hard move the disk on the splines with the tranny out of the car. I cleaned them up and they go really smooth now.. surfaced the flywheel a little bit, and took a little bit more off the aluminum flywheel spot that needs to be machined.. I will know the verdict here in a little bit and will post
I have also done a booboo by installing the fork upside down and the clutch would not release.
Lucky I took a pic before I assembled things so I could check visually what I did wrong.. sure enough I spotted my mistake right away... only kicker was having to take the assembly out and seperate it all by myself... doh!
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Clutch or not, im coming over for a ride this weekend.[/quote]
gonna be hard to get a ride without a clutch! [/quote]Hank and his uncle are out running it right now without a clutch. A ton of work and still no clutch. I'm going to bed. :x
Yep, so the Father spoke the truth.. It is better now, but still not right.. it wont go into gear from a stand still.. It bump starts , so that is kindof nice.. The car is running fabulous though.. It pulls wayyyy hard.. I dare say 15psi feels stronger then 23 on the 20v with water injection.. It rips.. and soooo smoooooothh.. oh man, it revs like it wants to go to 10k right now.. Its at 6500 right now for breakin, but its a riot.. sucks not having a fully funtional clutch, but it is getting better.. I am goign to beat on it some more and see if I can get it to break in a little bit more.. If not, Saturday the motor gets pulled... Pulling trannies sucks, and the motor was put together to be quick release.. I can get the exhaust and front clip off in about 10 minutes.. The exhaust comes off in a minute flat.. It is awesome!! V-bands were a great invention..
Lets see.. GT30r is an awesome turbo.. I have 15 psi at 3900 or so..
Oh yeah, Couldnt imagine doing anything smaller... makes me wonder about a gt35r!!
When do you sleep Hank?? I hope all of this gets resolved for you soon....so you can drive up here and go 80mph down my street!!! I've never done that before.
just measure from the block to about the clutch area up by the timing hole, then go drilling from directly below the clutch... bottom of the bellhousing where the casting seam is.
I've never done that before. 