20vt B3 (The Bandit)

[AngryTaco]

you should find out as that is pretty important. There was another brand I was going to pick up over the redline this time around.

[PRY4SNO]

Yes, others were running this on 01a transmissions. The mytlegear I believe is sulfer free. I know it didn't smell like it had any in it.

Is that a typo?

If this is the product you mean, then you should be in the clear.

https://www.motul.com/gb/en/products/oi ... sity%5D=58

Application: Transmission fluids
Quality: Technosynthese
Product Range: Car
Viscosity: 75W90
API Standards: API GL-4/GL-5
OEM Approvals : MIL-L-2105D

[DE80q]

Yep, you are correct. Couldn't remember exactly it was called at the time. I was close lol. This 01A is filled with that motyl gear. Seemed to shift really nice until it let go.

[DE80q]

Well, I should be picking up the replacement 01A trans tomorrow. Then hopefully will be towing the Bandit up to RS4tech's shop so that I dont have to do this lieing on my back.

As dumb as this sounds, Im getting a little old for that shit. Back in the day, I could be under a car all day long, and be fine. These days, be under there for more than a couple hours at a shot, and I pay for it for the next week... sucks getting older

[DE80q]

So I picked up the replacemnt 01A yesterday, thanks Dustin. I will get it cleaned up, and ready to put in here soon. Will post some before and after pics when I can.

I just want to drive it...

[DE80q]

As I seem to be a gluttin for punishment, I have another 01A to put into this car. Picked it up last weekend, and it was quite dirty. Figured I would wait to post pics for when I cleaned it up. Here is what is looked like when I got it.



This particular tran has around 170k on it, and has been in storage for about 2 years. There is a lot of road grime, grease, and oil, but also a lot of dirt, leaves, nut shells, and what ever else from being in storage.

Here is what is looks like now, after about an hour with a 3k PSI 185 degree pressure washer and some mildly corrosive cleaner




Looks much better is I do say so myself. I still have some work to do with some emery cloth and scotch brite to clean up the shift rod, and input shaft, but that wont take long at all. I came accross an unexpected surprise, but I will wait to disclose that until I have talked to the seller. I just hope he says what I think happened. With any luck, the bandit will be up at RS4Tech's shop this weekend, and will be able to start driving it again by monday.

[mr_aj_johnson]

[DE80q]

Well, I talked to Dustin and he didnt do this, so here it is. While washing the trans, I turned it over to clean the bottom, and this is what happened. I figured it would come out of the breather port, but didnt expect it to look like my trans was bleeding...

He said he only drove a couple hundred miles on it, so hopefully the PO didnt put too many on it after it was changed over to what looks like ATF. I cant imagine it is too old, as it is still REALLY red. Needles to say, round 3 isnt starting off too well...

[DE80q]

I hope so, I miss driving it already

[DE80q]

So, it has been pointed out to me that some of the redline gear lube is actually red. I guess its very possible thats what this is, but either way its getting drained and fresh fluid put back in.

[DE80q]

Yesterday the Bandit was towed up to RS4tech's shop. I had the joy of waiting 90min for the damn tow truck to get here. The kick is, the towing company is about 10min up the road from me... Then when he finally got there, I went to fire it up to back out of the spot(i luckily still have reverse) the battery was dead. Not even his jump pack would help...

Anyway, I snapped this when it was being picked up.


And how often do you get to take a shot like this? for me, its getting to be too many


Either way, tomorrow I will find out if the latest trans is any good. Lets keep our fingers crossed that all is good. I will try to snap some pics along the way, but this is going to be kind of rushed. Only have have access to the lifts and tools for sunday.

[AngryTaco]

Please. Yours still runs.

You still have another like....3 to go before you are on my level of failures and needing to be towed LOL

[DE80q]

Well, so far so good. The new trans is in, and seems to be working as it should. Another huge thanks to rs4tech for the use of his shop, and giving me a hand with this process(again)


When we took the old trans out, we swapped a few parts over to the new one that were either just too rusted to use, or missing. The one part was the TOB sleeve/input shaft seal. When we took that out of the old trans, it was pretty easy to see what had happened. The cir-clip that holds the input shaft bearing in place had somehow come out of its little groove and the input shaft had moved back into the trans. I would assume that on its way back, it took a few other items out, but we havent opened up the old trans to see how bad it is yet.

On another note, when we drained the old fluid from the new trans, it was absolutly ATF. When we pulled the drain plug, it all flew out of the trans, and reeked just like ATF. At least it doesnt seem to have done any damage. Got in there with some brake cleaner, and got out as much as we could, then let it sit for a while to drain and dry. Already have another 3L of motul on order to swap the fluid out again next time the oil is ready to be changed.

After the trans swap was done, went to drive it home. suddenly after a couple miles lost gears again! Turns out the linkage bolt on the bottom of the shifter had come loose some how, and I only had 3/4 gear. I managed to get it off the road and called rs4tech back. Thinking we would probably have to tow it back to his shop to see what had happened. Not so much. When he got there, he pulled out the widow maker, chocked the rear tires, and went under the car. All the while giving me a heart attack! He managed to get it fixed right there with the meager selection of tools I had in the car, and then he followed me home to make sure everything else would be ok. It was. So for now, the Bandit is back on the road.

The coil over setup is next. I should have the rear struts tonight, so hopefully it wont be too long before that is ready to go on. Then I can jack it up a little for winter driving! HAHAHA we are expecting a rough winter here, and would like to be able to drive this in the snow again.

Again, thank you to George and Dustin for helping me get this back on the road.

[DE80q]

I almost forgot. When wer pulled the transmission, the brand new TOB that came with the spec stage3 clutch had fallen apare. The bearing part no longer held to the plastic part that attaches to the fork. I dont get it! the damn thing didnt even have 1000 miles on it! luckily enough george happen to have a new one in his tool box.

[DE80q]

Please. Yours still runs.

You still have another like....3 to go before you are on my level of failures and needing to be towed LOL

I really hope it doesnt come to that.

[Draky]

Glad to hear you are back up and running again!

[Noisy Cricket]

I used to use ATF all the time in transmissions that speced 75W90. ATF is 5W20 on the engine oil scale, and 75W90 gear oil is in a different scale that works out to something like 10W40 on the engine oil scale so it is not too far off. Basically ATF is a poor man's Redline. I never had a problem that I could trace to the fluid.

So, I don't think it was hurting anything, and the residual ATF in the trans definitely won't be hurting anything.

I use 85W140 now because I am approaching/at/beyond the limits of the transmissions that I am using, and I need all the help I can get, and Coastal 85W140 is like $13 a gallon, but I still throw in 10-20% ATF to help the synchronizers work.

[DE80q]

I used to use ATF all the time in transmissions that speced 75W90. ATF is 5W20 on the engine oil scale, and 75W90 gear oil is in a different scale that works out to something like 10W40 on the engine oil scale so it is not too far off. Basically ATF is a poor man's Redline. I never had a problem that I could trace to the fluid.

So, I don't think it was hurting anything, and the residual ATF in the trans definitely won't be hurting anything.

I use 85W140 now because I am approaching/at/beyond the limits of the transmissions that I am using, and I need all the help I can get, and Coastal 85W140 is like $13 a gallon, but I still throw in 10-20% ATF to help the synchronizers work.

Obviously you know more about this than I do. I didnt even know there were different scales for oils such as these. The only thing I had ever noticed was that ATF seemed VERY thin, and all gear oils I have ever used were VERY thick. Now the new oils seem to be quite different, as in even the 75w90 Motul that I put in the trans doesnt seem to be all that thick.

The only problem that I have with your above statment is that motul lists both 75w90 and 10w40 as available weights for their MotyleGear line. If they are that close in weight, why list them differently? Again, Im not all that well read on viscosity ratings, but you can see where my confusion stems from.

[DE80q]

I figured while I had a chance, I would play with the starting problem. If you were at Carlisle, and heard my trying to start the car, there was obviously somthing wrong. I had always thought it was due to too much fuel, but today I proved it. I decreased my cranking injector PW by 25%, and turned the key. It cranked for maybe 3 seconds, and then just fired off! I was shocked. After letting it get fully heated, and messing with the ISV for a while, I shut off the engine, let it sit for a min, then started it again. Again, it just started! YAY! I think I hae that one figured out. I may try turning them down a little more yet, not sure though.

[elaw]

The only problem that I have with your above statment is that motul lists both 75w90 and 10w40 as available weights for their MotyleGear line. If they are that close in weight, why list them differently? Again, Im not all that well read on viscosity ratings, but you can see where my confusion stems from.

I know this is going to sound a little cynical, but I suspect the reason is so people don't get hassled on warranty coverage by people claiming "you're running the wrong oil". If the book says use 10w40, use 10w40. If the book says 75w90, use 75w90. Doesn't matter if they're the same thing, in both cases you're following the manual!

[elaw]

I didnt even know there were different scales for oils such as these.

I had a consulting client once who had a great expression: "Standards are great - that's why there are so many of them!"

[Noisy Cricket]

I didnt even know there were different scales for oils such as these.

I had a consulting client once who had a great expression: "Standards are great - that's why there are so many of them!"

[AngryTaco]

where are our 1/4 mile times?!

[DE80q]

where are our 1/4 mile times?!

Last time I checked, I need to have it running and driving for longer than a couple miles to tune it before I attempt that

Last week I went on vacation with the family, and rs4tech took my car to go over and fix a couple things for me. When I got back, I got to hear stories of how my car got shown off to a couple people that were there for the bandit's first trip to H2O, when we started making plans to do this swap. They were impressed at the differance from then to now.

Anyways... along with the stories, I also recieved a list of items to take car of on her. First, I have a 7v drop on the ground side of things when cranking. That would explain the slow cranking, and possibliy a few other things. I need to redo and add grounds, and make sure they all have good contact. Once that is done, I will start doing a lot more work on the tune. The hard starting just kills my mojo when I start working on things.

It also turns out that one of my new, less than 1k miles of use, 034 street density strut mounts is shot. The right front to be exact. Kind of pisses me off, but what are you gonna do. I picked them up second hand(yes, they were still in the packaging) so now all I can do is replace it. Maybe Ill just throw one of rs4tech's old ones in for now. There was nothing wrong with those. This one bangs arround in the pocket now, so there is no doubt it is bad...

[AngryTaco]

Perhaps an HPR prototype is in order now that I have a lathe?

I have some miscut poly in the garage I was saving for something like this

(All 034 is anyways is rebranded meyles. The rubber they use is a little bit stiffer than OEM so they advertise it as "performance")