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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:17 pm
by derracuda
i actually have dibs on mholmes' H&R's, but thanks though
i went out to the wrecking yard to look for some more B3 front struts and found a pair, so i will probably have some struts converted to 5 lug tonight and be waiting for installation
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:34 pm
by SeStone
Aight, now someone figure out if '90 200TQ hubs, possibly built for the short-spline bolted axle arrangement, will work on the late build 20v B3s with the bolt axles instead of the nut ones.
Sam
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:43 pm
by Toxcheap
SeStone wrote:Aight, now someone figure out if '90 200TQ hubs, possibly built for the short-spline bolted axle arrangement, will work on the late build 20v B3s with the bolt axles instead of the nut ones.
Sam
Nope won't fit into B3's wheel bearings
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:48 pm
by PRA4WX
derracuda wrote:ok! big update. after someone pooh pooh'd me on AOL saying that people have been using A4 hubs for years, appearantly since before i was born... to do 5 lug swaps on B3's, a new solution for my 5 lug swaps has been uncovered to me,
B3 struts that use the 75mm wheel bearing
5ktq hub
4kq rear wheel bearing
this will kill many birds with one stone.
#1. swap to 5lugs
#2. allow use of a strut with an easily obtainable 19mm ball joint
#3. allow use of the older through spline axles with the larger axle shaft and inner CV
#4. allow me to keep about 10mm of wheel clearance since the B3 strut doesn't have so much offset.
#5. allow me to retain the stock 4kq steering arms.
#6. the b3 strut housing is a good deal lighter than the 5ktq
as for brakes, i bolted the A4 rotor and caliper to the B3 strut and they fit beautifully, so the brakes are covered
this is soo cool because i either haven't been looking in the right places or something. but this whole 5lug swap just got easier,cheaper, and giving more tire/wheel space!
THIS is what i like to see!!!! Nice work Drrrrrrick!
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:43 pm
by derracuda
ok, there's a new catch. the 5ktq hub doesn't have the exact same offset as the 75mm bearing'd B3 hub.... so the hub sits further in...hmm, gonna have to play with this some more. now the 5ktq hub almost touches the spindle and the rotor now sits further in by what appears to be about 5mm *scratches head*
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:58 pm
by Wizard-of-OD
derracuda wrote:ok, there's a new catch. the 5ktq hub doesn't have the exact same offset as the 75mm bearing'd B3 hub.... so the hub sits further in...hmm, gonna have to play with this some more. now the 5ktq hub almost touches the spindle and the rotor now sits further in by what appears to be about 5mm *scratches head*
Thats where spacers come in.
I thought the 5KTQ couldnt work...
Does this me there is an econo 5 lug conversion out there?
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:40 am
by Katman
Just an idea..
Do you think it would be possible to space the hub out a bit (with a suitably machined spacer) when being installed in the bearing to suit the rotor alignment? Hmm.. But then that would affect required drivshaft length slightly. Maybe now the hub is too close in for the driveshaft anyway? :?
Looks like 'further investigation is required' !
May be better than spacing the wheel itself out, and messing around with caliper bracketry and different rotors.. :frustrated:
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:00 am
by derracuda
yeah, i'm going to try a spacer between the bearing and hub today. the axle spline holds it all together tight, so i don't see what 4mm would hurt.
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:14 pm
by derracuda
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:57 am
by ralleyquattro
You make me sick..
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:03 am
by tireland
mercedes parking only
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:47 pm
by derracuda
ok! solution has been implemented. shims from a differential shop here in town fit the bill perfectly
now the hub sits back out about where it should be.
since there's no circlip that holds the wheel bearing into the spindle, i spaced the bearing out 2mm with shims between the bearing and the seat inside the spindle.
this pic is from the backside
then i put 4mm worth of shims between the hub and the wheel bearing
now the hub sits out about where the 4lug hub does. the 5lug hub is on the left, the 4lug on the right
i now only need one washer between the caliper carrier and the spindle and i'm golden 8)
288mm rotors of good freeness
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:54 pm
by SeStone
Hmmm...spacing bearing against retainer=cool. Putting spacers between fitted/chamfered faces in the bearing and hub=hmmmm...
Sam
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:06 pm
by derracuda
they can't go anywhere, they are pressed tight against the inner bearing race and then will be sandwiched by the axel stub. they're also stuck around the hub shaft, so they can't fly out, it'd be impossible.
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:37 pm
by Marc
lol, I like the 'washers' under your lug bolts :-P
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:38 pm
by Corey
derracuda wrote:
Derek could only look on in horror at the realisation that his slinky would never work the same again
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:48 pm
by derracuda
a4kquattro wrote:lol, I like the 'washers' under your lug bolts :-P
that's a trick my dad taught me a long time ago. it saves threading the wheel bolts all the way in whether you're doing a test or trying to get the rotor to stay in place while you get the caliper/carrier back in place if it's been taken off.
and yeah corey, my slinky took one for the team
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:12 pm
by JShadzi
derracuda wrote:
Derek, the local ring-toss champion of the Podunk County, Oregon state fair, prepares his stuffed bear winning toss to win the heart of Sally Fergusen, who loves bears second to only her dad.
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:24 pm
by Audilard
JShadzi wrote:Derek, the local ring-toss champion of the Podunk County, Oregon state fair, prepares his stuffed bear winning toss to win the heart of Sally Fergusen, who loves bears second to only her dad.
Go Prince Derek!!!
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:29 pm
by SeStone
JShadzi wrote:Derek, the local ring-toss champion of the Podunk County, Oregon state fair, prepares his stuffed bear winning toss to win the heart of Sally Fergusen, who loves bears second to only her dad.
You're on quite the roll this week
Sam
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:39 pm
by derracuda
gotta have something to fall back on incase this 5lug swapping bidness don't pan out in the long run
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:01 pm
by Toxcheap
hmmm derek I've got some doubts in regards to spacing that hub out
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:21 pm
by derracuda
i did at first too, but the hub is pressed more than halfway through the inner race which is about 15mm worth of surface area, it's now down to about 11mm. once the axle is in place and torqued, ain't nuthin' going nowheres
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:13 pm
by derracuda
:woowoo:
drivers corner is done!
had to swap to the 19mm lower ball joints
also had to grind a little out of the back of the spindle so the CV joint wouldn't touch it.
shweet!
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:22 pm
by JShadzi
Good work Derek!
