Tacos 4KTQ I0vt Swap: The Red Baron - buying parts again
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AudiSport4000
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
How old is the knock sensor itself?
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Old. Original off of a 1990 200 MC2. I've tried more than 1 knock sensor and the problem is the same
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GTJeff
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
It might not hurt to invest in a new bolt through sensor. They are like $40. Beware of the crappy old Hitachi knock sensors. I have found they are usually bad and are very sensitive to how much you torque them to the block. I think it's supposed to be like 7 ft-lbs.
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AudiSport4000
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
FWIW when I chipped my 4ktq I got the knock sensor code. I bought a new sensor and never had an issue after that. If you have tried other, old, used sensors that may be the problem.
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Im with Mike. Try a new knock sensor, and see if that helps. As for a MBC, if you really want one PM me.
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?

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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Im beginning to think that perhaps the ticking is not lifters and perhaps an exhaust leak. Near cylinder number 5 or the flex tube from the WG to the DP. I kinda melted a part of the tube with the torch getting the original bolts out. I have also discovered that having a baffle in the valve cover on a turbo motor is kind of a necessity as I have noticed not only an oily smell after high rpm and boost, but increased oil loss. It's not burning it and it's definitely not leaking it, so it must be coming out of the non-baffled valve cover. Does anyone know of a valve cover with a baffle but that has the bracket for the throttle cable? I wish I could find a URq throttle cable and then I can swap the turbo valve cover back over. Would help clean up the engine bay too a little more
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Put a WTB for a Urq throttle cable or buy a new one?
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
New ones are available, at least when I checked last year, but are quite expensive. I have yet to find a used one.
"If you can't find one, make one"
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
whats expensive? VR TB cable for a b2 is 52 bucks!
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
When i called the local dealer, they wanted more than double that.
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Dallastown, PA
1991 Audi 80 quattro (20vt project)
1991 Audi Coupe Quattro (project: my first 20v)
2007 Mitsubishi Raider(Dakota in disguise)
2019 Chevy Cruze RS hatch (wife's little red sporty car)
Dallastown, PA
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AudiSport4000
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
My Urq cable, new, was 50 bucks, but this was through Impex in 2005 

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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Impex price is close to $90. Alot of money for cosmetics at this point
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AudiSport4000
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Then quit yer complainin 

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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Lol. Regardless I may have to get one. Not having a baffle is causing me to buy oil prematurely
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
I guess I dont understand the baffle issue. I ran a MC valve cover for years with zero issues.
Toss up a wanted ad on here or Audifans for a Urq cable.
Toss up a wanted ad on here or Audifans for a Urq cable.
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
AudiSport4000 wrote:I guess I dont understand the baffle issue. I ran a MC valve cover for years with zero issues.
Toss up a wanted ad on here or Audifans for a Urq cable.
I'm running a JT VC. There is no baffle but it has the bracket for the throttle cable where as the MC does not. When I get into boost, the blowby is moving so fast that the oil does not have time to.., I guess effectively remove itself and remain in the engine and goes out the breather hole in the VC. The baffle acts as a way of slowing down that blowby and allowing the oil to fall back into the engine
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Very true, that what the baffling is for. If you are having problems finding a ur cable, y not just have the bracket welded to the MC cover?
"If you can't find one, make one"
Dallastown, PA
1991 Audi 80 quattro (20vt project)
1991 Audi Coupe Quattro (project: my first 20v)
2007 Mitsubishi Raider(Dakota in disguise)
2019 Chevy Cruze RS hatch (wife's little red sporty car)
Dallastown, PA
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1991 Audi Coupe Quattro (project: my first 20v)
2007 Mitsubishi Raider(Dakota in disguise)
2019 Chevy Cruze RS hatch (wife's little red sporty car)
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
DE80q wrote:Very true, that what the baffling is for. If you are having problems finding a ur cable, y not just have the bracket welded to the MC cover?
I have been considering that. I gotta find a donor VC with the bracket first so I can just swap it in rather than risk not having a VC or a thottle cable bracket while fabbing it up
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mounty
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Not many 5 cyls in the junk yards around you?
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
More of a matter of time really.
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mounty
Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
ah ok. i know where four maybe five are in a local yard around here.
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
AngryTaco wrote:AudiSport4000 wrote:I guess I dont understand the baffle issue. I ran a MC valve cover for years with zero issues.
Toss up a wanted ad on here or Audifans for a Urq cable.
I'm running a JT VC. There is no baffle but it has the bracket for the throttle cable where as the MC does not. When I get into boost, the blowby is moving so fast that the oil does not have time to.., I guess effectively remove itself and remain in the engine and goes out the breather hole in the VC. The baffle acts as a way of slowing down that blowby and allowing the oil to fall back into the engine
Interesting. I guess I never noticed the MC VC having a baffle either? The old 4cyl VC's did, though.
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
I've got a smashing idea. What if I took a DKW, totally buggered and rusty, dropped in a 20vt, an 016 with welded center dif and a 4kq rear end. That would make one hell of a Euro Ratrod
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Re: Taco's 4KTQ 20vt Swap: Project Red Baron - Lifters?
Yeah, Just weld the bracket on the MC VC.
20 valves? are you sure you want to stop there? I know where you can get an extra 20 on top of that for a killer price. HE HE
AngryTaco wrote:I've got a smashing idea. What if I took a DKW, totally buggered and rusty, dropped in a 20vt, an 016 with welded center dif and a 4kq rear end. That would make one hell of a Euro Ratrod
20 valves? are you sure you want to stop there? I know where you can get an extra 20 on top of that for a killer price. HE HE