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Beater4kq

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:18 am
by Toph
Here's a little back story on this gem. It was a Vermont car as far back as I know, that had a tree fall on it and push in the driver's c-pillar, the roof, and broke the Quattro script rear windshield. It was purchased, repaired, and rallycrossed by a motorgeeker for some time. I stole these pictures from a prior owner:

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He eventually sold it to a friend of his who used it on the roads of VT. I happened to have a street legal XR250 Honda dirt bike, and traded it for this car. Then there was a jump...well, a water bar really.

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Tim was driving a road he knew well, but apparently someone had added some runoff solutions since his last visit. Neither one of us saw it coming. At about 40 to 45mph, a small flat spot appeared on the hill that quickly turned into a trench the whole width of the road. 'Round these parts, we call that a water bar. It dropped about a foot down for a three or four foot stretch, then came back up aggressively to match the grade of the road. We estimate that we would have been fine at about 65mph, but 40 just wasn't enough. The car was fine, with only a small list of issues. The oil pan was stuffed in, pickup tube was crushed, the radiator was pushed back and a little bit broken, that lower part of the crossmember and bumper that you don't need was deemed ready for removal, there was a bit of gravel in the engine bay, and my right arm ripped the armrest off the door so that only one point of attachment barely remained. If it weren't for the lazy oil pan and pickup and radiator mount, the car would have driven home just fine. Instead we had to get my friendly neighbor to tow it home. We creatively parked it near a hiking trail and smoothed out the gravel and picked up some pieces from the impact site as to not raise suspicion. After the ordeal, we simply swapped my CQ radiator in and plugged the aux radiator outlet with a coolant temp sensor stuffed in a section of hose. A hammer made quick work of the oil pan, and we had a spare oil pickup. The car was back in business sort of, kind of. It still had all of the issues it had before the jump for some reason. Oh well, it still worked enough to drive.

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Enter the 100. Tim bought back a 100 he had previously sold, and we cut it up. The NF is getting uglied up so that it can go into the 4kq, and I am pulling the JT out. For now, it'll just get a simple swap, the suspension lift will come this spring. The goal is to ice race this, or at least terrorize the lakes in the next few months. The engine is nearly ready to drop out. The subframe is out, uprights are out, tranny is on a jack stand, and only a few things remain before removal. Here is a nice little video of the last time the JT ran. I had to get an old couch from my house to the dumpster at the shop just down the road, so I figured that was a good task for the 'ol beater.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tophm/11566128294/

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The car is getting swapped right where it is pictured above, but with more snow and cold around it.

As of right now, the list is:
Remove clutch slave
Remove speedometer sender
Remove shift linkage
Drain oil
Disconnect starter wiring
Disconnect heater core hoses
Unbolt engine mounts
Drop engine and transmission
Lift car and slide engine and tranny out


I should have it out very soon, and the engine rebuild will be complete soon. I also happen to be doing this in the driveway in New Hampshire, so if you have garage space, don't be a bitch and go work on your project.

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:45 pm
by DE80q
Very nice to see a thread started for this. I have heard the jump storry a few times, but now I finaly get to see the aftermath. Should be interesting to see the color choice that tim made for the NF. :lol:

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:55 am
by Toph
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Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:13 am
by Justin517
JFC... you are way more dedicated than I am... I didn't install my short throw after work yesterday because it was getting dark and was pretty cold.

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:21 pm
by AudiSport4000
Justin517 wrote:JFC... you are way more dedicated than I am... I didn't install my short throw after work yesterday because it was getting dark and was pretty cold.


No kidding, thats hardcore right there.

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:28 am
by PRY4SNO
Hats off to you sir.

That's some awesome work.

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:26 am
by Toph
Thanks for the support guys. It's not fun to think about going outside to work on a car in the teens and snowing, but once you're layered up and out there working, it really isn't bad at all. I spent a couple of days slacking off since I pulled the engine and transmission, but I'll be back at it today. I need to:

Separate the transmission from the engine
Pull the flywheel
Clean up the trans a bit
Drain the remainder of the oil and pull the pan
Strip the JT of any useful bits
Store the transmission out of the way
Decide if the JT is getting scrapped or becoming a table
Begin NF assembly

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:45 pm
by PRY4SNO
JT table = win

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:14 pm
by All_Euro
Commendable perseverance to say the least - love the pic of your feet sticking out from under the car with everything else covered in snow! But... well, I see you're working outside right in front of an empty garage... creature comforts are for sissies right ;)

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:32 am
by Toph
hahaha thanks...who said anything about an empty garage? There happens to be another 4kq project behind that door which belongs to my roommate. Between the two of us, there are four project Audis, and six Audis in total, so not every car gets garage space unfortunately.

Yesterday I separated the engine and trans, pulled the axles, stored the trans, removed the pressure plate and disc, pulled the oil pan and pickup, and put the NF pan on for storage. I just finished cleaning up before we got 8 inches of heavy snow. It was so dense that when I got up this morning it had compacted into about 4 inches of solid icy snow crap.

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:26 pm
by All_Euro
Oops - picture viewing fail... I was looking at the dark door thinking it was the back wall of the garage with a window into the back yard. Nice work though!

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:23 pm
by my2000apb
All_Euro wrote:Commendable perseverance to say the least - love the pic of your feet sticking out from under the car with everything else covered in snow! But... well, I see you're working outside right in front of an empty garage... creature comforts are for sissies right ;)



hahah yeah my 4kq 16vt/aba/o1e rig is in there haha
while I work in the heated garage, toph is outside, what a trooper

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:14 am
by Toph
So that you guys know, I'm going to drive the shit out of this car once it's back on the road.

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:35 am
by DE80q
Toph wrote:So that you guys know, I'm going to drive the shit out of this car once it's back on the road.

I would hope so! Kind of looks like thats what you did with the first engine. :lol:

Keep up the hard work Toph, you'll be back raising hell in the 4k soon enough.

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:33 am
by my2000apb
nice progress!!!

its back above 0 degrees , time to get back to work :)

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:33 am
by my2000apb
Toph wrote:So that you guys know, I'm going to drive the shit out of this car once it's back on the road.

and I WILL make that same jump!!

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:25 pm
by Toph
I stripped down the front subframe so that I can replace the bushings, and I was able to do it inside...yay.

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I also removed the shift linkage and began refreshing that. The bushing on the transmission end was half gone. That made the shifting feel somewhat vague.

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Here's a sampling of part of the color scheme with the third color yet to be revealed...

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Stay tuned...to the max

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:33 am
by Toph
I decided that the oil pan could stand some reinforcing since it had given up so easily as it was stuffed into the side of a hill. I made up some pieces and had Tim weld them together since he has a lot more experience than I do. We figured 1/8" would do.

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Here it is all welded up. The two side pieces were welded to the pan, then the large bottom plate was welded to the pan and the sides. The front cap overlaps all three pieces and is also welded to the pan. I need to grind, prime, and paint it tomorrow. Once the pan is ready, the engine can go together, and so on.

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Shain't goin nawherh

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:21 pm
by glibobbo21
lol

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:25 pm
by vt10vt
Better be getting a monster skid plate too from the looks of the old pan

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:41 am
by Toph
The skid plate will come in time, but for now the reinforced pan will have to protect itself from ice chunks. The photo under the car of the pushed-in pan was taken before it was removed, hammered out, and reinstalled with a new oil pickup. That's right, this is the same pan that protected the bottom end while lifting the engine enough to separate the mounts and leave the snub mount broken and resting on top of the bracket it typically resides in. I'm grinding the pan down today to smooth the edges where the 1/8" pieces meet, then painting it tonight. I'll post up some more pictures soon.

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:37 am
by DE80q
You should have let me know yours was that bad. You could have had my minty one from the NG.

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:12 pm
by Toph
I appreciate the offer, Dave, thank you. The pan really wasn't bad once it was hammered out. That one is battle-tested as well. Unless it was replaced at some point, that pan has seen some shit in its life. If I manage to shear the 1/8" reinforcement area off of the flange and short portion of uprotected pan that I call the crumple zone, I will begin to consider replacing the pan...hahah

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:21 pm
by vt10vt
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Dana and maybe some others (?) may recognize this pan...

Re: Beater4kq

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:24 pm
by DE80q
I hear you there. With having been a ralleycross car, and then the jump you put it through, and all it needed was hammered out. I would say that it is holding up quite well. Just keep it in mind. I have no use for it, and its sitting in storage. I also have at least one 016 trans to block mount. No need for those either. Keep at it, and maybe you will be driving this to carlisle this year. Im really trying to have mine there too.