Derracuda's Project Alpine 4kq *Comatose*

AudiSport4000 · Post by **AudiSport4000** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:22 pm

I can honestly say Ive never curbed an aftermarket wheel, maybe my stock Ronals a few times when I first started driving it in 1999.

JShadzi · Post by **JShadzi** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:24 pm

If you're not curbing wheels, then you're not parking hard enough

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:33 pm

AudiSport4000 · Post by **AudiSport4000** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:33 pm

JShadzi wrote:If you're not curbing wheels, then you're not parking hard enough

True, but remember where I live. I live in hick heartland! I dont go downtown too often, and when I do I park in the parking garages.

When I was taking my driving test I thought it would be badass to totally ignore my instructor and try and parallel park without any advice from him. End result was I got inbetween the 2 cars but was about a foot and a half away from the curb, or more

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maarten · Post by **maarten** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:39 am

on your 5*112 conversion.... you are going to use 5000 struts, right? but on the back, are you already upgraded to B4 struts? So you'll be just pressing in s2 hubs?

maarten · Post by **maarten** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:43 am

euh... b3 struts....?

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:52 am

according to martin pajak all the rear needs is to press a 5ktq hub in, the rear bearing ID is the right, and the larger dia. splines on the rear axles work in the 5ktq front hub as well. once i get everything put together, i'll post an exact list of what parts were used just so it's clear.

i'm going to be needing a set of rear 4kq shafts if anyone has some laying about, but they have to be the smaller inside CV's from 85 up.

LarryFlint · Post by **LarryFlint** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:42 am

Do you have the motor in yet, all this talk about 5 lug, I thought the topic said "project 4kq *4.2 plans in the works now" are you just stalling?

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:21 am

Happy Birthday Man,

here's a link to my 5 bolt conversion.

all the parts are listed here

[url]http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7269&highlight=bolt+conversionrl][/url]

Lt. Sarge · Post by **Lt. Sarge** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:53 am

LarryFlint wrote:Do you have the motor in yet, all this talk about 5 lug, I thought the topic said "project 4kq *4.2 plans in the works now" are you just stalling?

Naw, Derek's just got 4 project Audis, is looking for another one, is helping me and my brother with our project Audis, plus has to meet a minimum quota of watching at least 2.5 hours of car videos and 1 hour of general humourous videos on youtube per day.

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:59 am

:stupid: haha, nah, i'm at home in OR and my car is in sacramento..... kind of funny how that works being 600 miles from the car, it slows progress

i should be tearing into it when i gets back down though, get the 20vt out and do a little cleaning again before the new construction starts.

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:04 am

Highlander wrote:Happy Birthday Man,

here's a link to my 5 bolt conversion.

all the parts are listed here

[url]http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7269&highlight=bolt+conversionrl][/url]

link no good :(
http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/craigc ... DB0FTZdrls

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:08 am

I'll try and fix it buddy

Cheers,

Craig

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:14 am

Hi Derrick,

try this http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/craigc ... FBRBf0drls

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:18 am

sweet

Lt. Sarge · Post by **Lt. Sarge** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:41 am

Pretty soon Derricke is going to be a 5 syllable name. JJJJAAAAAAAEEEEOOOORRRRRBB!

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:45 am

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:44 pm

small update. i finally got two struts in a position that i could compare them side by side. this is for the five lug swap (that's for the search function

). i have a 5ktq front strut, and a 4kq strut. overall it looks to be about 10mm difference in how far the 5ktq strut will push the wheel outward. luckily, i think my B3 strut already has 5-10mm over the 4ktq strut, so i should be pretty close in the ball park with achieving my goals in tire fitment

measurements are as follows. (keep in mind these are as close as i can gather with a standard vernier measuring caliper)

-----------------------------------------4kq---------5ktq
hub face to strut tube centerline - 162mm 172mm
hub face to lower ball joint center- 70.5mm 75.5mm
strut tube centerline to bj center- 78mm 88mm
hub face to caliper mount face- 53mm 56mm

pics...

4ktq strut side profile

5ktq side profile

scottmandu · Post by **scottmandu** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:23 pm

when I did hate 5 lug conversion on my 4the, I hacked the 5kqt tube off at the knuckle, then cut away the 4kq tube. the 4kq tube will press right into the 5kq tube, and then using the careful measurements you took before hacking correctly position the steering arm relative to the knuckle. (of course if you run really wide tires you can move the arm inward a bit to clear, you then have to take some slack out of the tie rod adjusters.

You just essentially made a urq strut, and you can use 4kq spring, shocks, and tie rods, with urq lower ball joints and any flavor of 5kqt brakes you want.

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:33 pm

i'd like to try the 5ktq strut so i can use the larger and heavier valving in the strut.

Post by **HT Motorsport** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:36 pm

Hey Derek,

The 20V & V8Q struts are 10mm further out than the 5KTQ ones just for ref. I dont know which way you need to go as I havent read all the recent thread (sorry)

Do you want to push teh hub face out or bring it in?

H

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:41 pm

i want the hub face inward as far as possible. ideally i'd have 5lug hubs in my 4kq struts

Post by **HT Motorsport** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:05 pm

derracuda wrote:i want the hub face inward as far as possible. ideally i'd have 5lug hubs in my 4kq struts

Gotchya - dont use V8 struts then

I played with the Idea of making custom machined 2 piece hub carriers AKA the IMSA cars. If you did that you could have your cake and eat it too

Basic Idea was to cut the old hub off, weld in a thick plate with some tapped holes in it, Then make up a 2 piece clamp part to go onto the strut tube which I would have externally threaded so I could adjust the height of the strut in the housing

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:31 pm

hmm..... you might have something there timmy.... you a smaht cookie

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:26 pm

one more small detail i noticed is that the type44 strut tube is about a 1/4" shorter than the type85.... which would mean an extra 1/4" of travel.. yay!