Derracudas zermatt 20vt,6spd, 351awhp - July 4th drive vid

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:41 pm

cuatrokoop wrote:
derracuda wrote:
cuatrokoop wrote:D - the 5000S also comes with quattro, I have one. Same hubs and such as the CS (5ktq).

yes, but in 4lug not 5... AFAIK

Uh no. I've owned, driven and maintained a 5000S quattro for ten+ years. Trust me, it uses 5ktq hubs and wheel bearings. Otherwise I wouldn't have said "Same hubs and such as the CS (5ktq)".

Here's a tidbit from ETKA:

447 407 615A - Wheel hub - 5-Loch
Used in: 1989-1991 200, 1987-1988 5000q, 1980-1988 5kt, 1986-1988 5ktq, 1982-1987 quattro.

http://cuatrokoop.audi-quattro.org/others.htm

hmm, i've only ever seen 4lug non-turbo 5kq's and 100's, so i figured that at least up until the C4's, they made every non turbo car 4 lug. i guess i know different now

(unless your car was magically converted to 5lug by someone else

Longitudinal · Post by **Longitudinal** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:28 am

derracuda wrote:if you have an earlier 84' tranny there, you could just go measure the front axles yourself and let me know so we can put this to bed

I am about 15 miles away from the transmission right now, but I will measure tomorrow. The rear flanges on my two 84s are the same as rear on a T44 (with the larger bolts, if I recall.) I know that much because I built a fixture that allowed me to position a T44 rear diff and build mounts to attach it to a 4KQ rear subframe. I had assumed that ALL 016 4KQ transmissions had the same 100mm flanges (with 8*1.35 bolts) like on the I4 FWD stuff.

We shall see.

cuatrokoop · Post by **cuatrokoop** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:47 am

derracuda wrote:hmm, i've only ever seen 4lug non-turbo 5kq's and 100's, so i figured that at least up until the C4's, they made every non turbo car 4 lug. i guess i know different now (unless your car was magically converted to 5lug by someone else

Well, then you haven't seen a real 5kq then. Because they are ALL 5x112. They use bits from the 5ktq (like suspension/brakes), a modified 017 rear end (4.11:1 R&P), gearbox is specific to the 5kq (gearing). Front axles are from the FWD 5k, rears are from the 5ktq.

The 100 on the other hand uses the 01A with 5k axles and front hubs (4x108). Rear axles are actually a 4A0 part...

AudiSport4000 · Post by **AudiSport4000** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:16 am

Toxcheap wrote:kinda a rare car, non turbo quattro 5000 wish I could find more I love the driveline ratios!!
And it's 5 lug same hubs as the turbo's

Yeah, you dont see 5kq's much. Now, a 5000 turbo fwd 5spd is more rare, id say. Only seen one of those in person, and that was the Audi tech sons' car on the lift at the dealership. VERY cool ride

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:39 pm

cuatrokoop wrote:
derracuda wrote:hmm, i've only ever seen 4lug non-turbo 5kq's and 100's, so i figured that at least up until the C4's, they made every non turbo car 4 lug. i guess i know different now (unless your car was magically converted to 5lug by someone else

Well, then you haven't seen a real 5kq then. Because they are ALL 5x112. They use bits from the 5ktq (like suspension/brakes), a modified 017 rear end (4.11:1 R&P), gearbox is specific to the 5kq (gearing). Front axles are from the FWD 5k, rears are from the 5ktq.

The 100 on the other hand uses the 01A with 5k axles and front hubs (4x108). Rear axles are actually a 4A0 part...

aha, maybe that's it. i probably saw some 100q's with the 4 bolt pattern. got it now captain

Longitudinal · Post by **Longitudinal** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:36 am

Derek,

I checked my '84 Quattro transmission today. It also has small bolt (8*1.25) 100mm front drive flanges. The rear diff as you mentioned has big bolt flanges. I believe the bolts are 10*1.5. I guess this means that when I do Martin's 5-bolt swap I will be buying late 4KQ rear shafts and turning in my early ones for cores. That's fine because I was going to buy new shafts anyway.

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:53 am

if you get the drive cups from a turbo 016, (5ktq) you can use those early large inner CV rear axles in front too (if you want them at all four corners). if you don't want your early ones, i might be interested in 1 of them for my alpine car, maybe both if the core price isn't too much and you just want to cover that.

ralleyquattro · Post by **ralleyquattro** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:15 pm

derracuda wrote:hmm, i've only ever seen 4lug non-turbo 5kq's and 100's, so i figured that at least up until the C4's, they made every non turbo car 4 lug. i guess i know different now (unless your car was magically converted to 5lug by someone else

5000 quattro non turbo used to have 5 bolt suspension.
And used the same tranny as 4kq however with the large inner CVs.

HTH

WAUG0806 · Post by **WAUG0806** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:44 pm

[quote="derracuda"]Done and Done 8)

and you covered up the five lugs so nobody knows the better!

nice job d

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:13 pm

i don't really have any sweet rims where the lugs are showing... unless you really dig the 5kt turbo rims

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:23 pm

yay! one of my best friends works at a dealership and decent set of used kumho's came in... in 205/55/15. so i picked the best BBS rims i had and sent them off with him sunday, and got them back today

they fit really well and look great!

i polished the rims lips up a bit and then wiped the tires down with some dressing as they were a bit dry and old looking. they'll work fine until they wear completely out and i have more $$ for new tires

i've also place my order for all the lifters, timing belt, WP, seals, gaskets, spark plug wires, etc to freshen the 3B up here before i jump into the swap. i don't know if i'll be able to start it the next time i come to CA as i should be installing my old alpine cars 20vt engine into a customers 4kq. if something comes up and his car gets put off, then this one will immediately get put in it's place and get started 8)

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:32 pm

someone needs to prank call 988-6983 :-D

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:42 pm

Josh wrote:someone needs to prank call 988-6983 :-D

go for it, weird sales calls are my fav to answer

i've also been slowly picking stuff off the donor engine and getting it ready to pull. it's all unbolted, i'm just waiting to get a free engine stand for the clean up i need to do to it. some before pics...

and i got the intake and a bunch of odd parts cleaned and ready for some paint

maarten · Post by **maarten** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:37 am

looks good, needs an euro look

ralleyquattro · Post by **ralleyquattro** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:01 am

derracuda wrote:B3 struts that use the 75mm wheel bearing
5ktq hub
4kq rear wheel bearing

this will kill many birds with one stone.

#5. allow me to retain the stock 4kq steering arms.

FYI, you can use 4kq steering arms with 5kt struts, just need to get $15 GTI MKII tie rod ends..

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:37 pm

mm, good things are afoot

SeStone · Post by **SeStone** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:52 pm

THAT is effing cool.

Sam

Toxcheap · Post by **Toxcheap** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:00 am

that looks good!!

mhb_1323 · Post by **mhb_1323** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:07 am

Wow. I have seriously lost the Audi touch being away at college, but these things keep me going.

Thats going to be one awsome car. Stock, but not. I love it.

875ktq · Post by **875ktq** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:46 am

thats hawt.

Audilard · Post by **Audilard** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:25 am

What are injector bung plugs? Can you get those somewhere?

RSCoupe · Post by **RSCoupe** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:43 am

derracuda wrote:mm, good things are afoot

Wow, that's exactly what I'm going to do to mine. Just waiting for the paint from Summit (back ordered).
Nice to see it's going to look awesome. Nice job. 8)

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:04 am

Audilard wrote:What are injector bung plugs? Can you get those somewhere?

what bungs?

Audilard · Post by **Audilard** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:10 am

In the picture of the 3b intake manifold hanging down there are red/clear plugs in the injector bungs. What are those things?

derracuda · Post by **derracuda** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:16 am

oh, those are just plugs so i didn't get paint in there and have injector sealing issues