Tacos 4KTQ I0vt Swap: The Red Baron - buying parts again

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chaloux wrote:Wow. Worse pick than me. Don't know how you can still be so dedicated to this car, lol



It's become more of a battle to see who will win in the end.......and I don't like losing
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"Note, this flywheel requires an MC2 style clutch kit, we can supply several options, does not fit an OEM UrQuattro, 4000 or 5000 Quattro clutch kit."
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correct because they are the MC1 style dished IIRC. The MC2 was slightly different and just has the flat surface rather than dished.
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So that means that you're getting a 3b/mc2 style clutch kit.... if this is the flywheel you intend to use....
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yes. Bingo :)
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pilihp2 wrote:So that means that you're getting a 3b/mc2 style clutch kit.... if this is the flywheel you intend to use....

yarp - Also why not just machine one down to your specifications? I used to do that with ever mk1/mk2/mk3 oem flywheel :Shrugs:

you better not lose, and i really want to see some hurting 20v's on the track
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THAT was the answer I was searching for.
I used to have a fidanza 20v flywheel that I sold after thinking it was my trigger error issue with VEMS(grounds are important)
Call fidanza. Their website doesn't appear to work for searching via model. You could also get a 3b or mc2 flywheel, they weigh about 12-13 pounds, you don't need an aluminum 20v flywheel, that doesn't exist. You need a 3b/mc2 aluminum flywheel.

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pilihp2 wrote:THAT was the answer I was searching for.
I used to have a fidanza 20v flywheel that I sold after thinking it was my trigger error issue with VEMS(grounds are important)
Call fidanza. Their website doesn't appear to work for searching via model. You could also get a 3b or mc2 flywheel, they weigh about 12-13 pounds, you don't need an aluminum 20v flywheel, that doesn't exist. You need a 3b/mc2 aluminum flywheel.

Clarifications.

Sorry about that. I remember at one point there was somone out there making MC1 type dished alum flywheells. I almost bought one quite some time ago when I was first starting my swap thinking I needed the MC1 FW not the 7A FW I have now.
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Alright. I guess I should correct myself. aluminum 10/mc1 flywheels currently are not being produced as far as I know.
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#4 and #5 respectively

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Probably going to pull the head on Monday or Tuesday and inspect the pistons. I have a feeling I'm replacing the entire shortblock this time around
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Wow, the det monster strikes again! Dropping like flies here lately because of this stuff.
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Brady and I were talking... Has something to do with this little problem we all have around here called a boost addiction.
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chaloux wrote:Brady and I were talking... Has something to do with this little problem we all have around here called a boost addiction.


that could be a problem for me than. I am just starting down that path... :rofl:
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The problem wasn't boost the problem was fuel because the CIS came apart.

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Noisy Cricket wrote:The problem wasn't boost the problem was fuel because the CIS came apart.

"If you're having fuel problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but CIS ain't one"



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AngryTaco wrote:
At least SOMEONE read my damn posts


Well, yeah. I'm traveling the path that few are crazy/stubborn/dumb enough to travel (big 20vt power) and anybody who goes traveling is smart to look at a map, and in this case the map is seeing what people have done before and in what ways they failed. i don't want to fail in the ways that others have failed before, because that means their cars blew up in vain.

no, i want to forge ahead and blow things up in new and exciting ways. Although, really, the only thing stock I have left are the crank and 136mm rods and they seem to be just about indestructible.
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What pistons are you running Cricket? I was looking at getting a set of wiseco and bump the compression up to 10.5:1
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I don't know the full details. I just picked them up yesterday. IIRC compression will be somewhere in the 7:1 range but I haven't CCed them and I doubt that I will.

And that's all that I'll let slip until I have something interesting to report :) They're similar to what Jonathan used in his Audi Fox back when it was an 8v.
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Noisy Cricket wrote:I don't know the full details. I just picked them up yesterday. IIRC compression will be somewhere in the 7:1 range but I haven't CCed them and I doubt that I will.

And that's all that I'll let slip until I have something interesting to report :) They're similar to what Jonathan used in his Audi Fox back when it was an 8v.

Isnt that lower comp than even the factory MC1 pistons?
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Yup.

I've driven high compression turbo engines, and lemme tell you a 9:1 265ci six with a 72mm ballbearing turbo is NUTS! but I don't want to spend $18/gallon for C16 on something that I'm going to be driving multiple tens of thousand miles per year. So I'll do it old school 'cause I'm an old fool, and old school is super low compression to make the engine live. Porsches had 6:1 and they were just fine.
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So how many times have you had to pull the head now? :(
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Noisy Cricket wrote:Yup.

I've driven high compression turbo engines, and lemme tell you a 9:1 265ci six with a 72mm ballbearing turbo is NUTS! but I don't want to spend $18/gallon for C16 on something that I'm going to be driving multiple tens of thousand miles per year. So I'll do it old school 'cause I'm an old fool, and old school is super low compression to make the engine live. Porsches had 6:1 and they were just fine.


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85oceanic wrote:So how many times have you had to pull the head now? :(


I think close to 6 now or something? Maybe 8?

Im going to work on the body and small things. Im working on my truck now. Tired of Audis for right now
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AngryTaco wrote:What pistons are you running Cricket? I was looking at getting a set of wiseco and bump the compression up to 10.5:1



You're asking for even more detonation problems than you're already having by going 10.5:1 with boost. You could get away with doing it on a decently cammed 4v/cyl VAG motor running E85, but not something as detonation prone as the 20vt.

Audi sport used compression ratios even lower than the MC1 in the early 20vt group B cars. If you're going to model after something using ancient technology like CIS, just make sure you use an example that had a well-funded engineering department and factory backing ;)
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