Julian's '91 200 20vt

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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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You have a good point magellan. I'm cooking the air probably enough to keep the water vaporized. I don't think I have rm on the other side so I think I'm stuck wrapping the DP

When I see you say "groove" I picture an area in the turbo inlet, except in the larger ID area of the outer hose clamp area, where a c clip would've held the silencer ring. A look over while cleaning showed that area had only way way in tho and didn't do anything for surge.
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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Does this answer your question Chris?
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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Is it an HX35 or H1C? I don't think all (any?) H1C's came with an anti-surge housing.
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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Hx35 here

Go figure, the police are cracking down on aggressive driving this week lol

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LOL sounds like a story behind that comment...
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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No fortunately. My driving record is spotless :D
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Whoever said quality fittings will stop my oil feed line leak gets a dam cookie :)
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88a5tq wrote:Does this answer your question Chris?



I'm not 100% sure if I can see it or not, but it looks as if you don't have the anti-surge groove cut out. That is why it is quiet! The groove looks like this (although this is an HY):

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vt10vt wrote:Is it an HX35 or H1C? I don't think all (any?) H1C's came with an anti-surge housing.


Not all H1Cs came with anti-surge housings, but some certainly did. I had one! My friend had one with the casting for the anti-surge, but it didn't have the groove which leads to the compressor wheel. We cut out the groove very carefully with a dremel and it whistles louder now :D :drive:

88a5tq wrote:Whoever said quality fittings will stop my oil feed line leak gets a dam cookie :)


Yay! That's great news. Glad you are getting this stuff sorted out and gitten 'er done. :thumbsup:
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I def don't have the groove on mine. I like the sound of dremeling it in tho... I'll go looking for a DIY
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Haha, man you aren't likely to find a diy on that. You're better off asking goldfarb if they have an anti surge housing you can buy. It's not worth the effort to have to figure out where the groove should go, get it straight, and go through a ton of dremel blades (mine even needed new brushed half way through!) by the time you're done!

I bet goldfarb will have one for cheap.
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Wow brushes? Hah
I called and left G&A a VM about the housing.

I wrapped the DP in 4 sections with overlap since I did it while on the car. I'm told I'm a quack for even trying lol.
It's fully dressed now above the y-pipe. I was concerned that the WG might overheat with all the heat soak going on. It's still hot as shit right where the v band is. Gonna wrap that part too, I guess, as much as possible.
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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Yeah, I meant brushes lol. Nice job wrapping your pipe up.
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Thanks. But I just got worried because I wrapped over my vband clamp. You think that will be alright long term?

Looks like it's being controlled to 24-25 psi. I had a guy almost run me off the road so I followed him at over 60 mph through back roads. Car kept up no prob and I felt like it was a a good test of the new setup and longevity. I only just put the wrap on over the v band so if it's a bad idea I can revert it hopefully before a doomsday clamp catastrophe :)

Only thing: c clamp area for compressor housing must be leaking either oil or water as its leaving damp spots after driving. I guess it's common to these holsets tho

When I finally bring myself to use the launch ctrl, I just pray it doesn't explode my feshly hollowed kitties
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Wrap came out great. Didn't understand your race story but sounds like it performed well? :drunk: :drunk:

I think it's unnatural if you do not use launch with this. It would be very disappointing. Even more so if there was no media to confirm it.
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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I don't really see why wrapping the clamp would be a problem.

You sure the oring for the comp cover is good?

That is another reason why I like h1cs. They have a vband for the compressor rather than those stupid snap rings.
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100% agree on the LC! Somehow I don't think picture will cut it on here for proof lol. Perhaps moving picture? :D

I have held off on LC mostly because I have been afraid of the boost. I believe that the ARP hardware can handle that. The concern I suppose is if the rods can handle the ignition timing. I am running a pretty conservative map IMO so tomorrow I will try to get video (at my uncle's funeral :hide: ).

I ended up leaving the oring out as it seemed to keep the housing from seating fully enough to get the snap ring in completely. Maybe I should try, try again. Feck. I feel like I'm gonna lose a finger everytime that thing snaps out of my grip while trying to put it on! I just don't have a good way to get leverage on the housing to compress the oring.
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Next order of business
ENJOY LC! Lol
After that
Make heat shield for cone filter. It's too exposed to cylinder runners 1&2

I'm still kicking myself for not logging while chasing down that a-hole earlier :lol:
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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Holy crap, goldfarb only want ls $65 SHIPPED for that anti surge housing! I didn't think they'd have it and definately not at that price. I'll be buying that suckered as soon as I figure out my inducer dia.
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loxxrider wrote:I don't really see why wrapping the clamp would be a problem.

You sure the oring for the comp cover is good?

That is another reason why I like h1cs. They have a vband for the compressor rather than those stupid snap rings.

That is literally the worst snap ring in the world. I hate my HX35 for that.
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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88a5tq wrote:
I ended up leaving the oring out as it seemed to keep the housing from seating fully enough to get the snap ring in completely. Maybe I should try, try again. Feck. I feel like I'm gonna lose a finger everytime that thing snaps out of my grip while trying to put it on! I just don't have a good way to get leverage on the housing to compress the oring.


Well I'd say there's your problem! LOL

Also, told ya goldfarb would pull through!

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lol Shawn I sympathize entirely. I drilled holes in each "tongue" of the ring so I could thread mechanics wire through it and cinch it to where I need it. Works okay I guess. When the wire twists to pieces is when you need to worry ;)

Yes Chris I think you may be right that the oring being left out is my problem hah!

We've hit a brick wall that presented itself concerning Goldfarb. They don't know the inducer size of my 8 blade hx35. Its frustrating as I don't think I could even measure it accurately while its on. I sent them this info from the turbo's ID tag:
3537132
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HX35
8 blade\ compressor wheel.

That coupled with looking at the close up pics of the inducer leads Brant over there to believe I have a 54 mm inducer. He doesn't have them at that warehouse so he has to check the others over the weekend. :( :( :(
He mentioned selling me a 52 mm and having a lathe bore it to 54 for me since it has a slip-on outlet like my current housing does. Does that sound insane?
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Sounds a little silly just for some sound lol. But I'd be looking for one! You don't think you could measure the inducer with a micrometer while it's in the car?
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Like with housing off? I like all my digits in tact lol
Some day I'll rip it off to install the oring
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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Yeah with housing off. I know they suck. Maybe you could get a special tool for it. I'm sure they make one.
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Re: Julian's '91 200 20vt

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So. As far as holsets go.

Baby H1C is a 54mm compressor with a slip on compressor outlet. Nothing cast for a MWE groove. Available on non-IC Cummins from 89-91. Only had 18cm exhaust housings.

Big H1C is 56mm. 91.5-93 Cummins had them. Available with either a 18cm or 21cm exhaust housing. Has a MWE cover but no groove. Also has a clamp on outlet.

WH1C is a H1C with a antisurge compressor housing and a 12cm WG exhaust.

Hx35 is a 58mm WH1C basically.
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